A very long flintlock pistol for comment

Fernando K · 10th March 2013, 10:55 PM

Dear Cerjak:

Just to point out the obvious: the upper jaw is not original .....

Fernando K

Cerjak · 11th March 2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Dear Cerjak:

Just to point out the obvious: the upper jaw is not original .....

Fernando K

Yes Fernando k , and the flash pan and the dog have been replaced ( the dog seems to be too small in my eyes.
Regards

Cerjak

Fernando K · 11th March 2013, 11:42 PM

Dear Cerjak:

I have understood that for a reason that escapes, some weapons produced in France were taken to Liege Testbed for testing. In any case, this would be the case-

I do not think you replace the pan (bread), preserving the rake (Frizen). although I have not seen the inside of the key (lock) should be mounted a stone (flint) and watch the rake hits (Frizen).

Can you know that there are inscriptions in the key (lock) to more than "Marseille"?

Sorry to see a translator. English is not my language, not the domain

Fernando k

fernando · 12th March 2013, 03:42 PM

Fernando K is right. I am also aware that some French gun makers tested their arms in Liege, but i also don't remember the reason; maybe for some kind of convenience. There are also gun makers that, being French, made part or all their manufacture in Liege workshops.
Also as a curiosity we may recall that the Liege "ELG in the oval" proof mark was introduced by the Napoleonic proof rule in 1810, when the French occupied Liege.
It would be interesting to know all the words engraved in your pistol lock plate, if you find it possible.

Cerjak · 12th March 2013, 06:47 PM

Dear Fernando & Fernando K,
It is very hard to read something on this lock the second ligne 3 last letter are neux but the first line except the first letter a M and the 2 last letters ch and in the middle one e ..
In the rear side from the lock a C.
With a list from all the gunmakers from Marseille it will be more easy to find the full name but I didn't found those informations.

Regards

Cerjak

Fernando K · 12th March 2013, 10:31 PM

Dear Cerjak:

Magnifica key (lock), In my humble opinion, has not changed the pan (bread). This is rainproof (rain-proof) and is welded to the plate (plate). I do not think that is forged with Platen (plate). Has quality details, like the end of the rake (Frizen), the end of the mainspring, the bar that attaches to the nut with the mainspring, spring rake (Frizen) finished in a bearing, the decoration of the bridge (bridle ). The cat feet (cock) seems original, and the only piece not original is the upper jaw, made with a metal disc that was cut a segment.

I think the key barrel and were produced in France, and exported to East. Watch parts seem not worked by chiseling, and shaping is achieved by casting: look a bit grotesque.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Cerjak · 13th March 2013, 06:22 PM

Yes Fernando K again good eyes it is never easy to works from photos ! yes shaping is achieved by casting.What is your opinion about the possible age from this Pistol.

Regards

Cerjak

12th March 2013, 06:47 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear Fernando & Fernando K, It is very hard to read something on this lock the second ligne 3 last letter are neux but the first line except the first letter a M and the 2 last letters ch and in the middle one e .. In the rear side from the lock a C. With a list from all the gunmakers from Marseille it will be more easy to find the full name but I didn't found those informations. Regards Cerjak Attached Images

10th March 2013, 10:55 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Cerjak: Just to point out the obvious: the upper jaw is not original ..... Fernando K

11th March 2013, 11:42 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Cerjak: I have understood that for a reason that escapes, some weapons produced in France were taken to Liege Testbed for testing. In any case, this would be the case- I do not think you replace the pan (bread), preserving the rake (Frizen). although I have not seen the inside of the key (lock) should be mounted a stone (flint) and watch the rake hits (Frizen). Can you know that there are inscriptions in the key (lock) to more than "Marseille"? Sorry to see a translator. English is not my language, not the domain Fernando k

12th March 2013, 03:42 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fernando K is right. I am also aware that some French gun makers tested their arms in Liege, but i also don't remember the reason; maybe for some kind of convenience. There are also gun makers that, being French, made part or all their manufacture in Liege workshops. Also as a curiosity we may recall that the Liege "ELG in the oval" proof mark was introduced by the Napoleonic proof rule in 1810, when the French occupied Liege. It would be interesting to know all the words engraved in your pistol lock plate, if you find it possible.

12th March 2013, 10:31 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Cerjak: Magnifica key (lock), In my humble opinion, has not changed the pan (bread). This is rainproof (rain-proof) and is welded to the plate (plate). I do not think that is forged with Platen (plate). Has quality details, like the end of the rake (Frizen), the end of the mainspring, the bar that attaches to the nut with the mainspring, spring rake (Frizen) finished in a bearing, the decoration of the bridge (bridle ). The cat feet (cock) seems original, and the only piece not original is the upper jaw, made with a metal disc that was cut a segment. I think the key barrel and were produced in France, and exported to East. Watch parts seem not worked by chiseling, and shaping is achieved by casting: look a bit grotesque. Affectionately. Fernando K

13th March 2013, 06:22 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Yes Fernando K again good eyes it is never easy to works from photos ! yes shaping is achieved by casting.What is your opinion about the possible age from this Pistol. Regards Cerjak