Mid to Late 16th Century Patrons for Paper Cartridges

Piotr M. Zalewski · 4th February 2013, 07:29 PM

Dear Colleagues!
I am a restorator of antiques in National Museum in Warsaw, I specialize in metal objects and miscellaneous materials, but beside of this, I work to prepare to doctorate in art and military technique. My subject is about origin of Polish cavalry cartridge box (pouche). It means that I am looking for objects similar to, for example Lancer cartage box from Napoleon period, but from XVIIth or even XVIth century, Of course I know that it was in use others pouches & webbing patterns to carry ammunition, but I am very poor in this information. I have got all information about objects from Polish’s museums but it is not enough. In hope to find more information. Do you know anything about cartridge boxes from XVIIth century similar to these I present on my photos?
Looking forward for reply,
mgr Piotr M. Zalewski
Muzeum Narodowe w Warszawie
On phothos you can see my copy (as a matter of fact it is reconstruction ) of polish National Cavalry cartige box for "Towarzysz" (nobil man in service as a private in cavalry) in use 1786-1791.

fernando · 4th February 2013, 07:54 PM

Welcome to the forum Piotr,
I hope you find some answers to your question; surely if there are members familiar with this subject, they will soon post their comments

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Piotr M. Zalewski · 4th February 2013, 08:08 PM

Thank you for invitation!
I have forgot to write, that on phothos you can see my copy(as a matter of fact it is reconstruction) of polish National Cavalry cartige box for "Towarzysz" (nobil-private) from 1786-1791.
Piotr M. Zalewski

fernando · 5th February 2013, 01:28 PM

Great work

M ELEY · 6th February 2013, 03:16 PM

Welcome to the Forum, Piotr! Always good to have an expert in their field posting here!

Matchlock · 19th March 2014, 01:01 PM

This the shape of a typical High Gothic quiver for quarrels/crossbow bolts; its basic form with the straight sides strongly influenced the earliest trapezoid powder flasks and, for the complete short span of time of their production, which was only from ca. 1550-1590, the rare patrons for paper cartridges.

First quiver in the Bavarian Army Museum Ingolstadt, the second, with the concavely curved sides, in a private collection.
Author's photoographs.

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Matchlock · 19th March 2014, 07:37 PM

For an extremely fine, early (ca. 1550) and highly unusual patron combining various functions both technical and mechanical in one single device, please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15278

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4th February 2013, 07:29 PM	#1
Piotr M. Zalewski Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6	Dear Colleagues! I am a restorator of antiques in National Museum in Warsaw, I specialize in metal objects and miscellaneous materials, but beside of this, I work to prepare to doctorate in art and military technique. My subject is about origin of Polish cavalry cartridge box (pouche). It means that I am looking for objects similar to, for example Lancer cartage box from Napoleon period, but from XVIIth or even XVIth century, Of course I know that it was in use others pouches & webbing patterns to carry ammunition, but I am very poor in this information. I have got all information about objects from Polish’s museums but it is not enough. In hope to find more information. Do you know anything about cartridge boxes from XVIIth century similar to these I present on my photos? Looking forward for reply, mgr Piotr M. Zalewski Muzeum Narodowe w Warszawie On phothos you can see my copy (as a matter of fact it is reconstruction ) of polish National Cavalry cartige box for "Towarzysz" (nobil man in service as a private in cavalry) in use 1786-1791. Attached Images Last edited by Piotr M. Zalewski; 4th February 2013 at 08:17 PM.

19th March 2014, 01:01 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	This the shape of a typical High Gothic quiver for quarrels/crossbow bolts; its basic form with the straight sides strongly influenced the earliest trapezoid powder flasks and, for the complete short span of time of their production, which was only from ca. 1550-1590, the rare patrons for paper cartridges. First quiver in the Bavarian Army Museum Ingolstadt, the second, with the concavely curved sides, in a private collection. Author's photoographs. m Attached Images

19th March 2014, 07:37 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For an extremely fine, early (ca. 1550) and highly unusual patron combining various functions both technical and mechanical in one single device, please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15278 m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 19th March 2014 at 08:53 PM.

4th February 2013, 07:54 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the forum Piotr, I hope you find some answers to your question; surely if there are members familiar with this subject, they will soon post their comments .

4th February 2013, 08:08 PM	#3
Piotr M. Zalewski Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6	Thank you for invitation! I have forgot to write, that on phothos you can see my copy(as a matter of fact it is reconstruction) of polish National Cavalry cartige box for "Towarzysz" (nobil-private) from 1786-1791. Piotr M. Zalewski

5th February 2013, 01:28 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great work

6th February 2013, 03:16 PM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Welcome to the Forum, Piotr! Always good to have an expert in their field posting here!