Sundanga from Sulawesi for comment

[Maurice]

Hi guys,

I'm still not convinced. As I have another theory on these...

I agree the one from Marco and Charles are from Celebes.
But I'm not convinced the ones from Detlef and Bill are.
I think they both come from Java.

When searching the Leiden database because of my study project at the moment, I found one similar as Detlef's nice sword.

For what it's worth (as pieces were labeled from origine where they were collected and not where they were made and used), this one was collected in Bandung and donated to the Leiden museum by Dr. J. Groneman in 1892.
Unfortunately it isn't described in the Juynbollen, so no further info available I'm afraid....

[VVV]

Hi Maurice,

Like you wrote, we all know how the origin/collection works in the Leiden catalogues. This implies that we need more than one weapon to make a guideline (in both ways).

Michael

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by VVV

Hi Maurice,

Like you wrote, we all know how the origin/collection works in the Leiden catalogues. This implies that we need more than one weapon to make a guideline (in both ways).

Michael

Hi Michael,

I agree fulltime with you that we need more weapons and the best with provenance.
Who knows what turns up in future...

Maurice

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Michael,

I agree fulltime with you that we need more weapons and the best with provenance.
Who knows what turns up in future...

Maurice

Agree complete with you Maurice!

[Maurice]

Found this on my search......
A very old drawing, no info further

[Maurice]

And another one!

Text says: Lac Taman - P. Lomprong

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo everybody!

Hmmmmm ..... a bit like the chicken and the egg.
Boils down to belief, I suppose (pardon the pun).
I personally have no problem with it; all seems in order.
However, in your case, perhaps you need to view it from the movements of people in the past.
A good example would be to study three individuals in particular: Arung Pallaka, Kapiten Jonker and Cornelis Janszoon Speelman.
Then may you find an answer of some satisfaction to you.

Best,

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi guys,

I'm still not convinced. As I have another theory on these...

I agree the one from Marco and Charles are from Celebes.
But I'm not convinced the ones from Detlef and Bill are.
I think they both come from Java.

When searching the Leiden database because of my study project at the moment, I found one similar as Detlef's nice sword.

For what it's worth (as pieces were labeled from origine where they were collected and not where they were made and used), this one was collected in Bandung and donated to the Leiden museum by Dr. J. Groneman in 1892.
Unfortunately it isn't described in the Juynbollen, so no further info available I'm afraid....

Wow, very identical. Now i get some doubts as well. On the labe is written "Celebes Pedang Bengkok from 1840"! Bengkok is to my knowledge situated by Bandung!!! Very confusing.

Thank you very much for posting this sword.

Regards,

Detlef