Wootz Shamshir For Discussion

[Battara]

Nice wootz and silver hilt. Shame the cartooch is gone.

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Battara

Nice wootz and silver hilt. Shame the cartooch is gone.

Yeps but I managed to read it.. So its still there :-)

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Battara

Nice wootz and silver hilt. Shame the cartooch is gone.

That's a steel hilt isn't it?

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

That's a steel hilt isn't it?

I thought silver aswell

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

I thought silver aswell

It's silver is it?
It looks steel grey in the pictures.
I wouldn't have guessed silver. You're sure, non-magnetic?
I'm suprised to see a silver hilt pinned like a steel hilt as well.
Well silver! That's even better!

The decoration reminds me of the cap on a shamshir that I have (which is worn steel).

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

It's silver is it?
It looks steel grey in the pictures.
I wouldn't have guessed silver. You're sure, non-magnetic?
I'm suprised to see a silver hilt pinned like a steel hilt as well.
Well silver! That's even better!

The decoration reminds me of the cap on a shamshir that I have (which is worn steel).

Hey Gene,

Tried a magnet on it, it didnt stick so its not steel. I dont mind what material the hilt is, I am more interested from where it came from! Could be the same place that produced Indo-Arabian saifs? Hyderabad? The hilt must have looked very special back in its glorious times, there is a cartouche on the quillons but cannot read it.

[Lew]

Hi Lotfy

Very nice! Has lots of character and you can still see a distinctive wootz pattern. The hilt is silver so at some time it must have belonged to someone of wealth .

[Battara]

You're not kidding Lew, I don't collect this type and I would love to have it!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Hey Gene,

Tried a magnet on it, it didnt stick so its not steel. I dont mind what material the hilt is, I am more interested from where it came from! Could be the same place that produced Indo-Arabian saifs? Hyderabad? The hilt must have looked very special back in its glorious times, there is a cartouche on the quillons but cannot read it.

Salaams A.alnakkas ~ How do you see the history on this item? I understand that the concept was initially Syrian (Damascus ) and the great master was taken from there to Persia and worked in their workshops(Royal) and this cartouche like many other masterstamps or engravings was repeated down the centuries as a mark of respect and or a prestige mark for a good blade. It would be interesting to see how you read the catrouche as it is all but obliterated though I see gold inlay in places. I have a picture somewhere of an intact cartouche and will dig it out later. See http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...hashka-or-what for a link on cartouche style.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Hey Gene,

Tried a magnet on it, it didnt stick so its not steel. I dont mind what material the hilt is, I am more interested from where it came from! Could be the same place that produced Indo-Arabian saifs? Hyderabad? The hilt must have looked very special back in its glorious times, there is a cartouche on the quillons but cannot read it.

Hi Lotfy,

It's still a very fine sword now.
As I said before, the wear is 'pleasing' and the blade is very nice.
All that and a silver hilt!

Post some close ups of the cartouche on the quillions if possible.

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Lotfy,

It's still a very fine sword now.
As I said before, the wear is 'pleasing' and the blade is very nice.
All that and a silver hilt!

Post some close ups of the cartouche on the quillions if possible.

Hey Gene,

Forgot to take a photo! will do soon. My guess because of the hlt decoration it is a Persian type? maybe older then the 'usual' form or a one off.