Stamp Translation

mahratt · 23rd January 2013, 07:29 PM

I need help with the translation of the stamp on the Afghan blade.

Lew · 23rd January 2013, 08:13 PM

The stamp is the Green Mosque I think ?

mahratt · 23rd January 2013, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

The stamp is the Green Mosque I think ?

I am interested in translation of the inscription.

Jim McDougall · 23rd January 2013, 09:21 PM

This is the royal Afghan stamp, and the image actually represents the Sacred Shrine at the 'Blue Mosque' at Mazir i Sharif.
This is one of the increasingly familiar hybrid swords with the Anglo-Afghan military hilt of the 1880s and the Khyber knife type blade.
These weapons are typically from the reign of Emir Abdur Rahman (1898-1901) primarily, and were produced at the Kabul State Arsenal, or Mashin Khana.
The script below the image of the Mosque is characteristically a date, most of these will be c.1898-1901.
These are fascinating items from regions with troubled and dramatic history which of course extends into the present day.

Lew · 23rd January 2013, 11:40 PM

Blue mosque

My bad

Thanks for the clarification Jim.

Lew

Jim McDougall · 23rd January 2013, 11:59 PM

No sweat! You were on the right track Lew, and you had it right that a color was significant. ...not bad for 'shootin from the hip' (as they say here in Texas)

The stuff I added I had to look up.

Dom · 24th January 2013, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mahratt

I am interested in translation of the inscription.

Hi
it's not Arabic language, may be Urdu, or even Farsi (?)

through Arabic alphabet, there are 2 words, but no meaning for us

TANE CHED

and a serial of digit
300 and may be again 0

all the best

à +

Dom

Jim McDougall · 24th January 2013, 03:57 AM

Iam no linguist, but I believe the alphabet is Pashto/Dari , as these are the predominant languages in Afghanistan.

mahratt · 24th January 2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Iam no linguist, but I believe the alphabet is Pashto/Dari , as these are the predominant languages in Afghanistan.

Thank you all. Language on the stamp, I think - it's a Farsi.

ariel · 25th January 2013, 12:30 PM

I would guess that " 300" is a date: first number was often omitted. If so, this will be 1882-1883. Fits.

mahratt · 25th January 2013, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I would guess that " 300" is a date: first number was often omitted. If so, this will be 1882-1883. Fits.

Thank you

AJ1356 · 4th February 2013, 06:59 PM

It has been ages since I had enough time to come here, and I miss everyone's imaginations

. It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

mahratt · 4th February 2013, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ1356

It has been ages since I had enough time to come here, and I miss everyone's imaginations

. It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

Thank you!

Tell me, please, translation:

Dom · 6th February 2013, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mahratta

Thank you! Tell me, please, translation:

Sorry, not for us,
it's "farsi" language (as digit, show it) inability on our part to translate

all the best

à +

Dom

mahratt · 7th February 2013, 06:33 PM

mahratt · 7th February 2013, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ1356

It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

Until 1919, in Afghanistan on the coins and weapons were placed on the lunar Hijri date and it turns out in 1891, and after 1919 in Afghanistan began to use solar hijrah and the translation work - 1930. But, this is not true.

mahratt · 8th February 2013, 06:55 PM

I need help with the translation

Dom · 9th February 2013, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mahratt

I need help with the translation

Hi mahratt
your case has been submitted,
but unfortunately, we are out of our abilities

the language used, it's not Arabic, deeply sorry for you

all the best

à +

Dom

mahratt · 10th February 2013, 08:44 PM

Waiting for help from AJ1356

AJ1356 · 11th February 2013, 12:38 PM

The sword handle with the letters and numbers inscribed, it seems to be a serial/registration number, the only word is the word for cannon, so it seems to be from an artillary unit, which is not surprise since it seems to be the hilt of an artillary sword. The selawa(khayber knife) with the inscreption on the other hand is quite strange. The writing is in a nice hand writing style, but what it contains is just confusing. From right to left, we have the number 6 what comes after can be read as the word for arrow (teer) then there is the number 5 followed by two words, the first is unintellegable the second could be read as the word for cannon (toup) I can't make anything out of the last word and at the end there is the number 4. I tried making sense of it in both Farsi and Pashto, but that is all I could come up with. On the first item in the post, even if we read the date as 1300 it would still be 91 years ago, which would be 1921-1922. So trying to say it is older than that would be trying to trick yourself into believing something that is not the truth. I hope i was helpfull.

mahratt · 11th February 2013, 04:34 PM

Thank you!

In 1301, at the instance s.h./1922 Iran in neighboring Afghanistan, where so far only officially used lunar Hegira, was introduced Iranian solar calendar with zodiac names of the months. While in Dari, they, like in Iran, called the Arab names, and the Pashto language were translated verbatim.

23rd January 2013, 07:29 PM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Stamp Translation I need help with the translation of the stamp on the Afghan blade. Last edited by mahratt; 23rd January 2013 at 07:51 PM.

23rd January 2013, 08:13 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The stamp is the Green Mosque I think ?

23rd January 2013, 09:21 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	This is the royal Afghan stamp, and the image actually represents the Sacred Shrine at the 'Blue Mosque' at Mazir i Sharif. This is one of the increasingly familiar hybrid swords with the Anglo-Afghan military hilt of the 1880s and the Khyber knife type blade. These weapons are typically from the reign of Emir Abdur Rahman (1898-1901) primarily, and were produced at the Kabul State Arsenal, or Mashin Khana. The script below the image of the Mosque is characteristically a date, most of these will be c.1898-1901. These are fascinating items from regions with troubled and dramatic history which of course extends into the present day.

23rd January 2013, 11:40 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Blue mosque My bad Thanks for the clarification Jim. Lew

23rd January 2013, 11:59 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	No sweat! You were on the right track Lew, and you had it right that a color was significant. ...not bad for 'shootin from the hip' (as they say here in Texas) The stuff I added I had to look up.

24th January 2013, 03:57 AM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	Iam no linguist, but I believe the alphabet is Pashto/Dari , as these are the predominant languages in Afghanistan.

25th January 2013, 12:30 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I would guess that " 300" is a date: first number was often omitted. If so, this will be 1882-1883. Fits.

4th February 2013, 06:59 PM	#12
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	It has been ages since I had enough time to come here, and I miss everyone's imaginations . It reads Afghanistan and 1309 with is 81 years ago.

7th February 2013, 06:33 PM	#15
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042

8th February 2013, 06:55 PM	#17
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I need help with the translation

10th February 2013, 08:44 PM	#19
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Waiting for help from AJ1356

11th February 2013, 12:38 PM	#20
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	The sword handle with the letters and numbers inscribed, it seems to be a serial/registration number, the only word is the word for cannon, so it seems to be from an artillary unit, which is not surprise since it seems to be the hilt of an artillary sword. The selawa(khayber knife) with the inscreption on the other hand is quite strange. The writing is in a nice hand writing style, but what it contains is just confusing. From right to left, we have the number 6 what comes after can be read as the word for arrow (teer) then there is the number 5 followed by two words, the first is unintellegable the second could be read as the word for cannon (toup) I can't make anything out of the last word and at the end there is the number 4. I tried making sense of it in both Farsi and Pashto, but that is all I could come up with. On the first item in the post, even if we read the date as 1300 it would still be 91 years ago, which would be 1921-1922. So trying to say it is older than that would be trying to trick yourself into believing something that is not the truth. I hope i was helpfull.

11th February 2013, 04:34 PM	#21
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Thank you! In 1301, at the instance s.h./1922 Iran in neighboring Afghanistan, where so far only officially used lunar Hegira, was introduced Iranian solar calendar with zodiac names of the months. While in Dari, they, like in Iran, called the Arab names, and the Pashto language were translated verbatim.