An actual New Land pattern pistol

[kronckew]

nice pistol. no hidden proof marks underneath the barrel?

william iv was also king of hanover at the same time he was king in the UK. royalty was pretty much interrelated back then, and is still. hard for them to find a royal mate of similar age they are not too closely related to. his successor, victoria, managed to marry most of her children around the royal courts of europe - WW1 was in fact a squabble amoungst close family.

p.s. - what is the crown/B mark on the barrel? interim proof? germany also had a crown/B proof mark. it looks a bit mis-struck, could there have been another letter right of the 'B'?

[fernando]

Originally Posted by kronckew

... what is the crown/B mark on the barrel? interim proof? germany also had a crown/B proof mark. it looks a bit mis-struck, could there have been another letter right of the 'B'?

There is no space under the crown for a second letter; and i would say this is not a case of mis-struck marking, but the irons that were worn.The example i have seen out there has the same failures in both barrel markings. Concerning the 'B', i wonder if it isn't a 'P' instead ... like for Portugal. On the other hand, i have been reading a couple books in my miserable library and learnt that some New Land variations had British mountings and Portuguese barrels; this would explain why there are no Brit. proof marks on the barrel.
I have also learnt something (for me) outstanding. The ramrod (front) end in this pistol is wider than the barrel bore; i thought this was a bad replacement and was about to take it to a turner to reduce its diameter. I have just read that the Brits didn't use this end to ram the bullet but the narrow end that is inside the pistol stock. Brits are really different ... no wonder they drive by the left .
... Just kiding, lads

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[Fernando K]

Dear Fernando:

El extremo de la baqueta, mas ancho que el calibre del cañón, no es para empujar la bala, sino para empuñar la baqueta. La parte que empuja la bala está en el otro extremo, y es la que queda metida en la caja. Se hace correr la baqueta de su cureña, y el extremo mas chico queda cerca y de la boca, y empuja la bala. Al sacarse, queda cerca del canal de la baqueta, y se introduce en el empujando desde el otro extremo-

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

[Fernando K]

Dear Fernando:

The large end of the rod, wider than the bore of the gun, is not for pushing the bullet, but for griping the rod. The bullet pushing part is at the other end, which is left inside the stock. You slide the rod out and the narrower end reaches the barrel muzzle, to allow pushing the bullet. After drawing the rod from the barrel, it gets close from the forend chanel, when you introduce it by pushing the wide end.

Affectionately. Fernando K

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[fernando]

Thank you Fernando K,
I am aware of all the bullet raming operation with theses devices.
The thing is that, in non British ramrods that i have and also according to the book i have read, the wider (outer) end is narrow enough to do itself the raming, and also possible to operate with the device articulation, which functions both ways.
When raming with the wide end, you may hold the rod holdinging it with your fingers, instead of with the palm of your hand ... i guess like you do with musket rods.

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[kronckew]

having owned & fired black powder pistols from single shot smoothbores to colt walkers, and rifled muskets, one thing i was taught early on was to NOT palm the ramrod. it's a good way to lose a hand. fingering it you only lose a finger or two in case it discharges. palming may also exert excessive compression on the charge, and friction between the grains of powder and the bore can set off the charge. it might not happen often but once is too many.

ramrods were a pain in more than the hand in battle. adrenalin pumped soldiers frequently skipped little loading steps like removing the ramrod & wound up firing it down range. doing that with an articulated ramrod could ruin your day. at the least you are out of action till you can pick up someone else's ramrod. soldiers on the other side were sometimes speared by the opposition's ramrods. probably better than getting hit with a dirty great lead ball tho. sergeants checking troopers weapons sometimes found they had forgot to prime or fire between loadings, and had 5 or 6 charges stacked up in the barrel. if the ramrod doesn't full go down the bore, you might have more in there than you think.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by kronckew

... sergeants checking troopers weapons sometimes found they had forgot to prime or fire between loadings, and had 5 or 6 charges stacked up in the barrel....

It is also said that soldiers who were conscience opposers or simply wouldn't dare shooting, kept on loading their (non fired) weapons to ilude their sergeant.