Badik for comment

[semar]

that not what i say I only say that I`m wonder of er is a good book that every body like and will say and agree that is the book that every thing what in the book is correct so I think that never will happen because the person that make the book try to tel what he know and try to shear with people that intresst in it and that it not more ore less for example for you its no nice badik ore no badik for some people its a nice badik so its from wich way you will look bud the and of the story its no Pedang any more that what we know and can see its now a Badik
sorry when I make mistake`s with my engels and i don`t want to insult nobody
some people like to have this i the his collection

regards semar

[A. G. Maisey]

Semar, I'll keep this as short and as simple as I can.

At no time have I said that this is not a nice badik.

I have in essence raised two matters in respect of this badik:-

1) is this style of badik of Sulawesi origin ? I did not say it is not from Sulawesi, I said I did not know where it was from but that there seems to be a possibility it is from Jawa.

2) there is a high probability that the blade has been made from a pedang blade.

I made one further comment and that referred to the reliability of a particular book. In respect of the book I have stated an opinion, no more, no less, and I am aware that this opinion is shared by a number of other people.

I have not said it is not a "nice" book.

I have not said it does not contain information.

I have said it falls short of being a reliable source of information. Many other books have exactly the same flaw, but that does not mean that they do not have some value. For example, Edward Frey's little keris book is full of flaws. From the first edition it took me fourteen A4 pages to list them all, most of which disappeared in his second edition. But I still consistently recommend this book to newcomers who want to read about keris. Why? Because in spite of the flaws it also has much in it of value.

In fact, in the matter of keris books I know of only one in which I cannot identify an error. Possibly there are things in it with which I do not agree, but there are no errors that I can find. That book is the one written by Garrett & Bronwen Solyom.

When I write a comment I do try insofar as I am able to write plain English without obscure or implied meanings. It may assist in understanding what I write if the content of my writing is taken at face value.

[Sajen]

Hans,

you have given the badik for discussion, so let us dicuss it. Even when the blade is a cut down pedang blade, it is still very nice. This don't need to be a recent alteration. Like Alan write, normally follow the core until the blades point, have a look to your other badik from your collection or to the attached pictures from one of mine.
The other point have been the elongated handle, normally attributed to Java badiks. But maybe can Andi M. Irwan Zulfikar can enlighten us, he is coauthor of the book and as well a member of this forum.

Regards,

Detlef

[semar]

yes Detlef you wright

and for mister Maisey when you are in solo (one 26 Jan 9.30 is meeting from Tony Junus the will discus the book and there will be a movie about the keris
ad Balai Soejatmoko
JL slamet riyadi 284

[semar]

I think this Badik will be from java ???/
because the revolver hilt and the pamor ?????

[Sajen]

Agree, this form is from Java, thought.

[semar]

oke sajen but when I look to the next two
I think that are badik`s from celebes when I look to the type of pamor

regards semar