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Fernando K · 28th December 2012, 07:23 PM

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fernando · 29th December 2012, 12:26 PM

Hola Fernando,
Very nice little pistol, with its ivory grip.
The damascus decoration looks consistent with that applied by Liege gunsmiths. Look here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=crolle

and here:
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...damas%20fr.htm

Concerning the loading system, i would say this is not a muzzle loader but a 'forced bullet' example. These breeches are usually very small, specially in a gun of such short barrel, thus needing a very small amount of gunpowder and bullet size. On the other hand, it would be unreasonable to build a turn off barrel only for the cleaning of a breech you could easily reach from the muzzle of such tiny gun.
Let's hear from other members about this.

dana_w · 29th December 2012, 01:31 PM

This is another example of a late turn-off barrel pistol, which some people mistakenly call a Queen Ann. Much like your previous post, just using a percussion cap. There can be little doubt that it is a breech loader.

Unscrewing (turning off) the barrel reveals a chamber at the breech that is easily filled with a precise amount of gunpowder. The lead ball fits in a cup on top of the powder. When screwed back on the ball fits tightly in the barrel making the wadding used in a muzzleloader unnecessary. When fired the increased pressure made possible by the tight fit added to both range and accuracy. The tight fit also made it easier to carry loaded for long periods of time than a muzzleloader.

FYI: my avatar is a rifled turn-off barrel pistol c1690.

Fernando K · 29th December 2012, 11:15 PM

Hello, Fernando and Dana:

I still have many doubts .... Here I upload a picture (I have no scanner) from an Italian magazine of a sale of a pair of pistols, like the one we are dealing, in box with accessories What is it but a stick load, which is above and to the left?
Fernando: In the link you provided me, or something similar Internet, described the "false damask", made with a drawing eaten by acid. I think this is the case. I have some real Damascus barrels with very little contrast between the different kinds of steel, but with different coloring.
It strikes me, in the pepper-box deep surface contrast. I am attaching the barrel of a muzzle-loading pistol Spanish, cheap, with the barrel etched to mimic the damask.
It's easier to scratch the barrel, this is separate from the body, and to clean it once manufactured.

Affectionately. Fernando K

dana_w · 29th December 2012, 11:38 PM

It's hard to say from the photo, but they made version of these pistols with fixed barrels (non turn-off). Some people call these "night pistols" or "night stand pistols". See this post by Fernando. It could also just be a cleaning rod.

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29th December 2012, 01:31 PM	#4
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	This is another example of a late turn-off barrel pistol, which some people mistakenly call a Queen Ann. Much like your previous post, just using a percussion cap. There can be little doubt that it is a breech loader. Unscrewing (turning off) the barrel reveals a chamber at the breech that is easily filled with a precise amount of gunpowder. The lead ball fits in a cup on top of the powder. When screwed back on the ball fits tightly in the barrel making the wadding used in a muzzleloader unnecessary. When fired the increased pressure made possible by the tight fit added to both range and accuracy. The tight fit also made it easier to carry loaded for long periods of time than a muzzleloader. FYI: my avatar is a rifled turn-off barrel pistol c1690. Last edited by dana_w; 29th December 2012 at 01:35 PM. Reason: Added postscript

29th December 2012, 11:15 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello, Fernando and Dana: I still have many doubts .... Here I upload a picture (I have no scanner) from an Italian magazine of a sale of a pair of pistols, like the one we are dealing, in box with accessories What is it but a stick load, which is above and to the left? Fernando: In the link you provided me, or something similar Internet, described the "false damask", made with a drawing eaten by acid. I think this is the case. I have some real Damascus barrels with very little contrast between the different kinds of steel, but with different coloring. It strikes me, in the pepper-box deep surface contrast. I am attaching the barrel of a muzzle-loading pistol Spanish, cheap, with the barrel etched to mimic the damask. It's easier to scratch the barrel, this is separate from the body, and to clean it once manufactured. Affectionately. Fernando K Attached Images

29th December 2012, 12:26 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hola Fernando, Very nice little pistol, with its ivory grip. The damascus decoration looks consistent with that applied by Liege gunsmiths. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=crolle and here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...damas%20fr.htm Concerning the loading system, i would say this is not a muzzle loader but a 'forced bullet' example. These breeches are usually very small, specially in a gun of such short barrel, thus needing a very small amount of gunpowder and bullet size. On the other hand, it would be unreasonable to build a turn off barrel only for the cleaning of a breech you could easily reach from the muzzle of such tiny gun. Let's hear from other members about this.

29th December 2012, 11:38 PM	#6
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	It's hard to say from the photo, but they made version of these pistols with fixed barrels (non turn-off). Some people call these "night pistols" or "night stand pistols". See this post by Fernando. It could also just be a cleaning rod.