BOX-LOCK CONCEALED TRIGGER TURN OFF FOR ID

fernando · 27th December 2012, 04:27 PM

Great input Simon; a comprehensive description.
Ye, most probably Liege production. Although in Belgium they (also) used to apply a proof mark, by the time this pistol was made such proof marks system was not yet consolidated.
It is good to see that its barrel still turns off, something that so often doesn't occur.
Just a little note: although visibly this is not a Queen Anne pistol, the boxlock system was also widely used in such pistols, between 1750-1780. Actualy at a certain stage their production even exceeded that of side cock.

dana_w · 27th December 2012, 09:33 PM

Simon is spot on. Thanks for the input.

gbxfb · 28th December 2012, 11:33 AM

Thank you Fernando and Dala for your kind comments.

I would agree that boxlock actions were incorporated into Queen Anne style pistols from the mid 1700s the pivotal
emphasis being very much on the word style.

The later boxlocks can only ever be considered stylistically similar to the earlier very distinct form of pistol which
modern collectors have classified as Queen Anne. This distinction is reflected in the considerable differential between
prices realised for such pistols when compared to that of a later "in the style of" boxlock.

The boxlock whilst being both simple in design and compact did have certain limitations and was generally considered
for use on relatively inexpensive pistols, even when offered by the best makers.

Best regards,
Simon.

fernando · 28th December 2012, 04:48 PM

Thank you for your new input, Simon

It is visible that you know a lot more about these weapons than i do, who only once had a rather fine Queen Anne type specimen, eventualy witrh a side feather spring lock.
My only book about these pistols is John W.Burgoyne's work, from which i took my previous posted observation. However it is this same author who says that box lock examples showed a a continuation of the very high standard of craftmanship and decoration observed with conventional Queen Anne style pistols. Many examples continued to have silver munted buttcaps and estucheons and the use of silver wire was common ...
You will now understand that i was influenced to have a distinct perspective of the box lock version in these pistols.

28th December 2012, 11:33 AM	#3
gbxfb Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 11	Queen Anne style boxlocks Thank you Fernando and Dala for your kind comments. I would agree that boxlock actions were incorporated into Queen Anne style pistols from the mid 1700s the pivotal emphasis being very much on the word style. The later boxlocks can only ever be considered stylistically similar to the earlier very distinct form of pistol which modern collectors have classified as Queen Anne. This distinction is reflected in the considerable differential between prices realised for such pistols when compared to that of a later "in the style of" boxlock. The boxlock whilst being both simple in design and compact did have certain limitations and was generally considered for use on relatively inexpensive pistols, even when offered by the best makers. Best regards, Simon.

27th December 2012, 04:27 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great input Simon; a comprehensive description. Ye, most probably Liege production. Although in Belgium they (also) used to apply a proof mark, by the time this pistol was made such proof marks system was not yet consolidated. It is good to see that its barrel still turns off, something that so often doesn't occur. Just a little note: although visibly this is not a Queen Anne pistol, the boxlock system was also widely used in such pistols, between 1750-1780. Actualy at a certain stage their production even exceeded that of side cock.

27th December 2012, 09:33 PM	#2
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	Simon is spot on. Thanks for the input.

28th December 2012, 04:48 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you for your new input, Simon It is visible that you know a lot more about these weapons than i do, who only once had a rather fine Queen Anne type specimen, eventualy witrh a side feather spring lock. My only book about these pistols is John W.Burgoyne's work, from which i took my previous posted observation. However it is this same author who says that box lock examples showed a a continuation of the very high standard of craftmanship and decoration observed with conventional Queen Anne style pistols. Many examples continued to have silver munted buttcaps and estucheons and the use of silver wire was common ... You will now understand that i was influenced to have a distinct perspective of the box lock version in these pistols.