Bali ceremonial knife

A. G. Maisey · 26th December 2012, 08:44 PM

I have met Ketut Karang on several occasions, but he would not remember me.

Detlef's description of him is accurate,the information Ketut Karang has supplied is absolutely accurate and should be accepted without question.

"blakas" means "machete", or in Indonesian, "parang"

"tiuk" means "knife", or in Indonesian "pisau"

VVV · 26th December 2012, 09:14 PM

Thanks Detlef and Alan,

What does pengentas mean?

Michael

Sajen · 26th December 2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks Detlef and Alan,

What does pengentas mean?

Michael

Hello Michael,

I would have been able to translate "tiuk" but already happy that Alan was able to translate "blakas" since it makes all more clear.
But frankly I am not able to translate "pengentas". Maybe Alan can help.

Regards,

Detlef

Atlantia · 26th December 2012, 09:22 PM

Detlef,

FANTASTIC work my friend!

Bravo!

Sajen · 26th December 2012, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Detlef,

FANTASTIC work my friend!

Bravo!

Thank you buddy!

Glad that I can help.

Thank's to Ketut for his kind help.

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 26th December 2012, 10:45 PM

Michael, I do not speak Balinese, I only know a few words, so I cannot give an accurate interpretation of "pengentas".

It would come from the root "entas" which I think has the sense of walking in Balinese, "mentas" means to walk. Logically, "pengentas" would signify a "doer" of the action.

There are some similarities between Balinese and Javanese and in Javanese "entas" can in some usages carry the sense of freeing or moving something or someone from one state to another, for instance "ngentas" is to take something out of something, like taking tempe out of cooking oil, or taking shoes out of the rain; "ngentasake" is to marry your daughter or son to somebody.

Possibly a blakas pengentas is a machete for clearing a way or for freeing something. Tiuk pengentas a knife for freeing something. These are guesses only, as I said, I do not speak Balinese.

Sajen · 26th December 2012, 11:21 PM

With the the explantion from Alan and the description Ketut Karang has given in post # 29 as follow: "...we use tiuk pengentas which symbolize to open another word for the soul,and hope that the soul will get a good way. after we bring the body to cemetery..." is maybe given a free translation.

VVV · 27th December 2012, 07:44 AM

Alan and Detlef,

Thanks for the further explanations. So I assume that these blades are for freeing or clearing both physical as well as metaphysical objects.

Michael

asomotif · 9th August 2015, 09:12 PM

Good evening.

Found a picture of 4 examples from an auction at Christies 1997.
Maybe nice for reference / comparisson.

Best regards,
Willem

asomotif · 25th October 2015, 10:02 PM

Ps. here is my example.

9th August 2015, 09:12 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Good evening. Found a picture of 4 examples from an auction at Christies 1997. Maybe nice for reference / comparisson. Best regards, Willem Attached Images

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asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Ps. here is my example. Attached Images

26th December 2012, 08:44 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I have met Ketut Karang on several occasions, but he would not remember me. Detlef's description of him is accurate,the information Ketut Karang has supplied is absolutely accurate and should be accepted without question. "blakas" means "machete", or in Indonesian, "parang" "tiuk" means "knife", or in Indonesian "pisau"

26th December 2012, 09:14 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Detlef and Alan, What does pengentas mean? Michael

26th December 2012, 09:22 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Detlef, FANTASTIC work my friend! Bravo!

26th December 2012, 10:45 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Michael, I do not speak Balinese, I only know a few words, so I cannot give an accurate interpretation of "pengentas". It would come from the root "entas" which I think has the sense of walking in Balinese, "mentas" means to walk. Logically, "pengentas" would signify a "doer" of the action. There are some similarities between Balinese and Javanese and in Javanese "entas" can in some usages carry the sense of freeing or moving something or someone from one state to another, for instance "ngentas" is to take something out of something, like taking tempe out of cooking oil, or taking shoes out of the rain; "ngentasake" is to marry your daughter or son to somebody. Possibly a blakas pengentas is a machete for clearing a way or for freeing something. Tiuk pengentas a knife for freeing something. These are guesses only, as I said, I do not speak Balinese.

26th December 2012, 11:21 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	With the the explantion from Alan and the description Ketut Karang has given in post # 29 as follow: "...we use tiuk pengentas which symbolize to open another word for the soul,and hope that the soul will get a good way. after we bring the body to cemetery..." is maybe given a free translation.

27th December 2012, 07:44 AM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Alan and Detlef, Thanks for the further explanations. So I assume that these blades are for freeing or clearing both physical as well as metaphysical objects. Michael