Middle Sepik dagger.

VANDOO · 24th December 2012, 04:53 AM

YET ANOTHER RECENT DESIGN LOOKS MORE INDONESIAN OR BUGIS THAN NEW GUINEA BUT INFLUENCES ARE WIDESPREAD VIA TV. SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

31CM LONG

Sajen · 24th December 2012, 12:21 PM

A Sepik dagger with scabbard.

Sajen · 1st October 2013, 09:04 AM

Just win this nice Asmat crocodile jaw bone dagger.

Tim Simmons · 1st October 2013, 05:04 PM

What a fantastic thread this has turned out to be. Detlef, I have just noticed your Prince Alexander Mountians dagger. Very helpful as I have this staff that needed some sort of identification. I do not think it is a tourist piece as when I got it, it was covered in a red powder {red ochre} like red powder paint. You could not touch it without getting the powder all over yourself, not what a holiday maker wants? It is not the first item from PNG that I have covered in red powder. I have a pumice stone club that is also very messy to touch. You can see I removed the powder on this staff. A wife and a very messy red powder staining silly man thing do not mix

Love the crocodile dagger.

VANDOO · 1st October 2013, 06:40 PM

ITS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I VISITED THIS POST BUT IT HAS TURNED OUT WELL. DETLEF I REALLY LIKE YOUR CROCODILE JAW DAGGER IT IS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN. TIM I LIKE THE STAFF YOU HAVE AS WELL NICELY CARVED AND UNUSUAL WITH THE SMILING FACE AND SERIOUS FACE AT THE TOP. CONGRADULATIONS TO YOU BOTH.

I TOO HAVE FOUND RED POWDER AS WELL AS WHITE POWDER ON SOME ITEMS IN THE PAST. I EITHER CAREFULLY REMOVE IT OR SEAL IT WITH HAIRSPRAY DEPENDING ON THE ITEM. THIS MAY BE UNECESSARY BUT I LIKE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY WHEN DEALING WITH UNKNOWN SUBSTANCES. RED, YELLOW AND OTHER COLORS OF OCRE ARE NOT HAZARDOUS BUT THE MAYANS AND SOME OTHERS WERE FOND OF USING A RED POWDER MADE OF MERCURY ORE TO DUST TOMBS AND THINGS. IN EGYPT HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES WERE USED IN TOMBS AS WELL. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN FOR ITS PRESERVATIVE POWERS BUT COULD PROVE DEADLY OR AT LEAST BAD FOR THE HEALTH OF THOSE WHO WERE CARELESS IN HANDELING IT.

Sajen · 1st October 2013, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

ITS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I VISITED THIS POST BUT IT HAS TURNED OUT WELL. DETLEF I REALLY LIKE YOUR CROCODILE JAW DAGGER IT IS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN.

Thank you Barry and I agree, it's a very good one and like usual it was a bargain: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AFRICAN-TRIB...vip=true&rt=nc
But I think that the cover in up is newer as the jaw.

Regards,

Detlef

VANDOO · 2nd October 2013, 05:33 AM

A GOOD PRICE INDEED.

I ATTEMPTED TO GET A CROCODILE JAW DAGGER SEVERAL TIMES WITH NO LUCK AND SOON LOST INTEREST AND MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS BUT PERHAPS I WILL STUMBLE ACROSS ONE AT A GOOD PRICE SOME DAY.

I AGREE THE JAW BONE IS OLDER THAN THE DECORATIVE PARTS BUT AS THEY ARE ALL AUTHENTIC ETHINOGRAPHIC WORKMANSHIP IN ORIGIN ITS NOT A PROBLEM.

Sajen · 1st October 2013, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

What a fantastic thread this has turned out to be. Detlef, I have just noticed your Prince Alexander Mountians dagger. Very helpful as I have this staff that needed some sort of identification. I do not think it is a tourist piece as when I got it, it was covered in a red powder {red ochre} like red powder paint. You could not touch it without getting the powder all over yourself, not what a holiday maker wants? It is not the first item from PNG that I have covered in red powder. I have a pumice stone club that is also very messy to touch. You can see I removed the powder on this staff. A wife and a very messy red powder staining silly man thing do not mix

Love the crocodile dagger.

Thank you Tim!

And you could be right, I see also see affinities by the carvings.

Regards,

Detlef

24th December 2012, 04:53 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YET ANOTHER RECENT DESIGN LOOKS MORE INDONESIAN OR BUGIS THAN NEW GUINEA BUT INFLUENCES ARE WIDESPREAD VIA TV. SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. 31CM LONG Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 24th December 2012 at 03:31 PM.

24th December 2012, 12:21 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,215	A Sepik dagger with scabbard. Attached Images

1st October 2013, 09:04 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,215	Just win this nice Asmat crocodile jaw bone dagger. Attached Images

1st October 2013, 05:04 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	What a fantastic thread this has turned out to be. Detlef, I have just noticed your Prince Alexander Mountians dagger. Very helpful as I have this staff that needed some sort of identification. I do not think it is a tourist piece as when I got it, it was covered in a red powder {red ochre} like red powder paint. You could not touch it without getting the powder all over yourself, not what a holiday maker wants? It is not the first item from PNG that I have covered in red powder. I have a pumice stone club that is also very messy to touch. You can see I removed the powder on this staff. A wife and a very messy red powder staining silly man thing do not mix Love the crocodile dagger. Attached Images

1st October 2013, 06:40 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ITS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I VISITED THIS POST BUT IT HAS TURNED OUT WELL. DETLEF I REALLY LIKE YOUR CROCODILE JAW DAGGER IT IS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN. TIM I LIKE THE STAFF YOU HAVE AS WELL NICELY CARVED AND UNUSUAL WITH THE SMILING FACE AND SERIOUS FACE AT THE TOP. CONGRADULATIONS TO YOU BOTH. I TOO HAVE FOUND RED POWDER AS WELL AS WHITE POWDER ON SOME ITEMS IN THE PAST. I EITHER CAREFULLY REMOVE IT OR SEAL IT WITH HAIRSPRAY DEPENDING ON THE ITEM. THIS MAY BE UNECESSARY BUT I LIKE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY WHEN DEALING WITH UNKNOWN SUBSTANCES. RED, YELLOW AND OTHER COLORS OF OCRE ARE NOT HAZARDOUS BUT THE MAYANS AND SOME OTHERS WERE FOND OF USING A RED POWDER MADE OF MERCURY ORE TO DUST TOMBS AND THINGS. IN EGYPT HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES WERE USED IN TOMBS AS WELL. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN FOR ITS PRESERVATIVE POWERS BUT COULD PROVE DEADLY OR AT LEAST BAD FOR THE HEALTH OF THOSE WHO WERE CARELESS IN HANDELING IT.

2nd October 2013, 05:33 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A GOOD PRICE INDEED. I ATTEMPTED TO GET A CROCODILE JAW DAGGER SEVERAL TIMES WITH NO LUCK AND SOON LOST INTEREST AND MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS BUT PERHAPS I WILL STUMBLE ACROSS ONE AT A GOOD PRICE SOME DAY. I AGREE THE JAW BONE IS OLDER THAN THE DECORATIVE PARTS BUT AS THEY ARE ALL AUTHENTIC ETHINOGRAPHIC WORKMANSHIP IN ORIGIN ITS NOT A PROBLEM.