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Old 12th December 2012, 06:25 PM   #1
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And if we can agree that the context is Islamic, and not Jewish or Babylonian, on this blunderbuss then this decides which culture that rules what they should be called. If the star (#1) would have been on a Jewish artifact I would have chosen to name it the shield of David, instead of the seal of Solomon etc...
I think we can probably be fairly certain that we are dealing with this seal in an Islamic context. However i don't quite understand your above statement since both Solomon and David were kings of Israel and of the Jewish faith long before the origins of Islam. Both the six-pointed star and the 5-pointed star were used in that culture as well. I have indeed heard the 5-pointed star referred to as the "Shield of David" while the 6-pointed star is more often referred to as the "Star of David" (Magen David), however the 6-pointed star is also often referred to as the "Shield of David" as well. Likewise, in terms of the one single "Seal of Solomon" (Solomon's ring) as a symbol, both the pentagram and the hexagram have been associated with this. What i'm getting at here is that over the years there has been so much conjecture as well as changing ideas in various cultures to the point were no matter what your academic credentials might be, having a definitive answer as to exactly what these seals are or if there is any validity to connecting them to Solomon or not seems pointless.
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Old 12th December 2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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I also consider Solomon to have been a Jewish king BUT according to Islam he was a muslim prophet - the same was Moses, Jesus, Abraham etc. According to Islamic sources it is the original religion of Adam, not something originating with Mohammad. I really don't want to go into theological matters on who is "correct" on this (not being Muslim myself).
I leave this discussion now because I think I have made my point, either you follow the academic approach or the "popular" approach to evaluate sources to solve this issue.

Michael

PS I was wrong above on Graham, actually he is found on Google Scholar. He is the same Graham that has published several scholarly articles on biochemistry and molecular biology. Magic etc. seems to be his hobby and the articles he has written on this subject are published in magical organization's newsletters etc.
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Old 12th December 2012, 07:34 PM   #3
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David and Michael, I have no wish to engage in your discussion here, I just want to point out that David is also a prophet or rasul according to the Quran.

Take care guys! - Thor
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Old 12th December 2012, 07:40 PM   #4
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In Islamic sources (Quran and authentic sunnah) there are no symbols. The star of David was adopted by some Muslim peoples but it has no reference as far as I know in any of the sources.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12th December 2012, 10:12 PM   #5
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Thanks guys. I am not looking to get into a discussion of religion here for sure... Best to keep that out of the discussion. But i am aware that all these biblical characters are also considered prophets in Islam.
Still not convinced that this particular issue can be solved either by the academic or popular approach.
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