Parrying Dagger Makers Mark

cornelistromp · 2nd December 2012, 10:38 AM

@ Fernando and Jim, you did a really great Job, this is of course the right
track. SANTVAGO and the reverse side "IN TOLEDO"?!?
Indeed maybe the dagger of a member of the Portuguese Military Order of Saint James of the Sword/ Ordem Militar de Santiago da Espada 1172-1834.

The most prominent symbol of the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is the scallop. It is used as the main ornament on all buildings along the Camino. The shell symbolizes the female genitals and is known as a symbol of birth or rebirth. (fe "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli.)
It is a symbol of a pre-Christian fertility rite, which, like many pagan symbols and rites have been taken over by the Catholic Church.

There are a few stories where the scallop symbol of Santiago stands for/came from.
According to one legend, someone was brought back from the dead. Something Santiago and his pagan alter ego did several times. This time he saved a knight who was drowned in the sea. When he came back from the sea, he was covered with shells. Through this construction, the shell is still the symbol of pilgrimage.
The other symbol of Santiago is the sword cross, also known by his Christian name lagarto/lizard, associated with fertility and chastity.

From all these non-Christian symbols and myths Santiago and the pilgrimage arise. He is still the holy guardian who protects us from his horse. the pelgimage Journey stands for somebodies life/personal insight and Santiago will be the protector of this Journey.

best,

fernando · 2nd December 2012, 12:39 PM

What a nice dissertation on the Santiago & Vieira issue, Jasper

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In my selfish universe i only use vieiras for food and my pilgrimage is done by car. Santiago de Compostela is only 200 Kms. away from my hometown.
Good work on the "IN TOLEDO" inscription, which qualifies you for half of the prize at solving tbhe riddle

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Dana, that other dagger of your yours is also a beauty. Perhaps you wish to start a new thread with it ?

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dana_w · 2nd December 2012, 02:46 PM

You gentlemen are absolutely fantastic. I am really getting an education. The “Ordem Militar de Santiago da Espada” … !

I have a LARGE collection of relic daggers, both Spanish and French. Most of them were excavated in Florida, many by my father in the 1960s. They date from the last half of the 16th century or the early 17th century. Juan Ponce de León first landed here in 1513. The 500th anniversary in April of next year. Right now I am photographing a lot of the relic daggers and adding them to my web site.

I'd love to show them to you and hear your opinions / speculations. Should I create a new thread for each dagger?

fernando · 2nd December 2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dana_w

... I'd love to show them to you and hear your opinions / speculations. ?...

We are waiting for that

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Originally Posted by dana_w

... Should I create a new thread for each dagger? ...

Obviously;things will be more clear that way

2nd December 2012, 10:38 AM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	@ Fernando and Jim, you did a really great Job, this is of course the right track. SANTVAGO and the reverse side "IN TOLEDO"?!? Indeed maybe the dagger of a member of the Portuguese Military Order of Saint James of the Sword/ Ordem Militar de Santiago da Espada 1172-1834. The most prominent symbol of the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is the scallop. It is used as the main ornament on all buildings along the Camino. The shell symbolizes the female genitals and is known as a symbol of birth or rebirth. (fe "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli.) It is a symbol of a pre-Christian fertility rite, which, like many pagan symbols and rites have been taken over by the Catholic Church. There are a few stories where the scallop symbol of Santiago stands for/came from. According to one legend, someone was brought back from the dead. Something Santiago and his pagan alter ego did several times. This time he saved a knight who was drowned in the sea. When he came back from the sea, he was covered with shells. Through this construction, the shell is still the symbol of pilgrimage. The other symbol of Santiago is the sword cross, also known by his Christian name lagarto/lizard, associated with fertility and chastity. From all these non-Christian symbols and myths Santiago and the pilgrimage arise. He is still the holy guardian who protects us from his horse. the pelgimage Journey stands for somebodies life/personal insight and Santiago will be the protector of this Journey. best, Attached Images

2nd December 2012, 12:39 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What a nice dissertation on the Santiago & Vieira issue, Jasper . In my selfish universe i only use vieiras for food and my pilgrimage is done by car. Santiago de Compostela is only 200 Kms. away from my hometown. Good work on the "IN TOLEDO" inscription, which qualifies you for half of the prize at solving tbhe riddle . Dana, that other dagger of your yours is also a beauty. Perhaps you wish to start a new thread with it ? . Attached Images

2nd December 2012, 02:46 PM	#3
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	You gentlemen are absolutely fantastic. I am really getting an education. The “Ordem Militar de Santiago da Espada” … ! I have a LARGE collection of relic daggers, both Spanish and French. Most of them were excavated in Florida, many by my father in the 1960s. They date from the last half of the 16th century or the early 17th century. Juan Ponce de León first landed here in 1513. The 500th anniversary in April of next year. Right now I am photographing a lot of the relic daggers and adding them to my web site. I'd love to show them to you and hear your opinions / speculations. Should I create a new thread for each dagger?