otoman sword for id

ariel · 1st November 2012, 12:13 AM

I saw it on e-bay and was only shaking my head... IMHO, this is as Hungarian as Chairman Mao. I cannot recall any Hungarian or Polish sword with a downturned pommel. I strongly suspect that the scabbard, its fittings and, perhaps, also the handle, are modern. Also, check the wooden core of the scabbard: likely it will be quite fresh.

Rather than traditional marriage, this is a case of swinging and swapping :-)

I would try to return it ASAP.

weapons 27 · 1st November 2012, 06:45 AM

Here are some pictures before his cleaning, polishing and protective wax...the wood of the sheath looks me old...

ALEX · 1st November 2012, 11:55 AM

I was holding my tongue as not to offend anyone. Thankfully, Ariel said it all quite nicely.
Quite often the collectors argue about some "features" and how they appear and could be, and that someone (mostly the seller:-) said it was something, etc. Just because something "looks like" or "appears" does not mean "it is"!!! Unless one spends considerable amount of time and effort to acquire genuine knowledge and expertise - these arguments, and sometimes denials, are costly downsides of the learning curve.

laEspadaAncha · 1st November 2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

I was holding my tongue as not to offend anyone. Thankfully, Ariel said it all quite nicely.

Yes he did.

And here I was trying to be as diplomatic as possible for the same reason as you state...

You also touch up on an important point, something I think we all have experienced as part of the learning curve inherent to collecting: it's easy for collectors to find something right about a piece to justify its acquisition. However, the wise path is to recognize what's wrong.

And with regards to this particular example, unfortunately there is far more that's wrong with it than is right.

weapons 27 · 2nd November 2012, 12:15 PM

so if I understand your comments, the handle is not original and would be a recent wound...

ALEX · 2nd November 2012, 03:26 PM

First, you have to define "original" in terms of your collecting interests. It will depend on your individual preferences. Are you collecting any swords and weapons, or interested in certain time periods, origins, features and/or qualities?
So, first define your collecting goal and then match the item.
Also, what do you think this sword represents: like how old it is/time period, quality of fittings and blade, quality and type of work, details, materials used, etc?...
Look for more defined answers, not just overall look or form, like: "it looks like Hungarian". Finally, what do you like, or dislike" in it? What can you compare it with, i.e. another similar swords/references?
These questions are a must for any serious collector though:-)

P.S. this Forum's own guide will be helpful: http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html

Good luck in your collecting!

weapons 27 · 3rd November 2012, 03:01 PM

I removed the back of the handle, I found a piece of threaded iron taken in a fairly hard resin that I removed .the mounting was used to maintain the tip.the Horn of the handle is a little attacked by insects and Horn sawdust fell, all former...I reattach the tip with a resin

YataganMan · 9th November 2012, 05:52 PM

Dear member,
I hate to say this but this sword has got nothing thats Ottoman /Turkish and what looks like is a syrian imitation with the exception of the blade all the fittings are new.As for the blade its is difficult to determine its origin age etc from the little picture that is supplıed bot I doubt very much if ıts Ottoman.
Regards

1st November 2012, 06:45 AM	#2
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	Here are some pictures before his cleaning, polishing and protective wax...the wood of the sheath looks me old... Attached Images

2nd November 2012, 03:26 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	First, you have to define "original" in terms of your collecting interests. It will depend on your individual preferences. Are you collecting any swords and weapons, or interested in certain time periods, origins, features and/or qualities? So, first define your collecting goal and then match the item. Also, what do you think this sword represents: like how old it is/time period, quality of fittings and blade, quality and type of work, details, materials used, etc?... Look for more defined answers, not just overall look or form, like: "it looks like Hungarian". Finally, what do you like, or dislike" in it? What can you compare it with, i.e. another similar swords/references? These questions are a must for any serious collector though:-) P.S. this Forum's own guide will be helpful: http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html Good luck in your collecting! Last edited by ALEX; 2nd November 2012 at 03:49 PM.

3rd November 2012, 03:01 PM	#7
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	I removed the back of the handle, I found a piece of threaded iron taken in a fairly hard resin that I removed .the mounting was used to maintain the tip.the Horn of the handle is a little attacked by insects and Horn sawdust fell, all former...I reattach the tip with a resin Attached Images

9th November 2012, 05:52 PM	#8
YataganMan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14	Ottoman sword ID Dear member, I hate to say this but this sword has got nothing thats Ottoman /Turkish and what looks like is a syrian imitation with the exception of the blade all the fittings are new.As for the blade its is difficult to determine its origin age etc from the little picture that is supplıed bot I doubt very much if ıts Ottoman. Regards

1st November 2012, 12:13 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I saw it on e-bay and was only shaking my head... IMHO, this is as Hungarian as Chairman Mao. I cannot recall any Hungarian or Polish sword with a downturned pommel. I strongly suspect that the scabbard, its fittings and, perhaps, also the handle, are modern. Also, check the wooden core of the scabbard: likely it will be quite fresh. Rather than traditional marriage, this is a case of swinging and swapping :-) I would try to return it ASAP.

1st November 2012, 11:55 AM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	I was holding my tongue as not to offend anyone. Thankfully, Ariel said it all quite nicely. Quite often the collectors argue about some "features" and how they appear and could be, and that someone (mostly the seller:-) said it was something, etc. Just because something "looks like" or "appears" does not mean "it is"!!! Unless one spends considerable amount of time and effort to acquire genuine knowledge and expertise - these arguments, and sometimes denials, are costly downsides of the learning curve.

2nd November 2012, 12:15 PM	#5
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	so if I understand your comments, the handle is not original and would be a recent wound...