Nom-noman Keris

Jean · 28th October 2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Jean, it is obvious that the greneng is not attributable to Djeno, but it is not a greneng that is the "signature" of a maker, it is the ron dha. Throughout history makers have varied the greneng , but it is almost impossible for a maker to vary his ron dha, even if he wants to; he may try to cut it in a slightly different way, but if one is familiar with the work of that maker, it is possible to still have a very good idea who has cut the ron dha, even though it has been altered. It is the ron dha we need to focus on, not the greneng.

Hello Alan,
Thank you and sorry, I used the term greneng in a global sense (this is confusing in many books), and I actually meant the ron dha.
Would you agree that this blade is probably recent or is it not certain from the pictures?
Regards

Karttikeya · 28th October 2012, 11:33 AM

Thank you for your comments, gentlemen. To focus on greneng, I have attached another photo of greneng, hopefully it can help you to identify it furthermore. Greneng seems to form dha but so vague so it will mislead people to say greneng is not pakem. How about tangguh Paku Alam? Could this blade be classified as that tangguh? Any other opinions are welcome..Thank you.

A. G. Maisey · 28th October 2012, 11:39 AM

A bit problematical Jean.

How can anybody know , or even guess, if a blade is old, new, recent, or anything else when it is not any type of standard pattern?

This ron dha is ridiculous. Its a slim blade with an elongated wadidang, like recent Jogja keris, but there is no class, and no distinctive tell.

I didn't want to comment on this blade, and only did so because of Rick's urging:- its best to say nothing if you cannot say something nice.

I think I'm finished here, I've already said all I'm prepared to say. When you see a keris like this it makes you realise just how much has been forgotten in the last 500 years.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more kind, Karttikeya. I've seen a lot of ron dha, in fact that is what I was taught to focus on as one of the primary tells, but I've never seen anything like this.

28th October 2012, 11:33 AM	#2
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Thank you for your comments, gentlemen. To focus on greneng, I have attached another photo of greneng, hopefully it can help you to identify it furthermore. Greneng seems to form dha but so vague so it will mislead people to say greneng is not pakem. How about tangguh Paku Alam? Could this blade be classified as that tangguh? Any other opinions are welcome..Thank you. Attached Images

28th October 2012, 11:39 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	A bit problematical Jean. How can anybody know , or even guess, if a blade is old, new, recent, or anything else when it is not any type of standard pattern? This ron dha is ridiculous. Its a slim blade with an elongated wadidang, like recent Jogja keris, but there is no class, and no distinctive tell. I didn't want to comment on this blade, and only did so because of Rick's urging:- its best to say nothing if you cannot say something nice. I think I'm finished here, I've already said all I'm prepared to say. When you see a keris like this it makes you realise just how much has been forgotten in the last 500 years. I'm sorry I couldn't be more kind, Karttikeya. I've seen a lot of ron dha, in fact that is what I was taught to focus on as one of the primary tells, but I've never seen anything like this.