Keris for ID

Henk · 9th September 2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Actually hilt is often turned like this one (in pictures) for storage purposes, never other way around.

Even for storage purposes it should be turned 90 degrees.

Gustav · 9th September 2012, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Even for storage purposes it should be turned 90 degrees.

Dear Henk,

may I turn your attention to this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...on+hilt+keris?

dbhmgb · 9th September 2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Dear Henk,

may I turn your attention to this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...on+hilt+keris?

Gustav,

Thank you for pointing to that most interesting and educational thread!

Dan

Sajen · 9th September 2012, 02:01 PM

Beautiful keris most probable Sumatra Riau Bugis type. Top cross piece from the sheath are from kemuning wood and stem from angsana wood IMHO.
Agree with Gustav about the turn of the handle. Have handled as well some Bugis type keris where the handle was fixed in this position.

Shimmerxxx · 11th September 2012, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the feedback all.

Does anyone have a feel for the age of this item? I have seen a similar example of the form dating from the early 20th Century so that would be my best guess.

kai · 13th September 2012, 08:30 AM

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Does anyone have a feel for the age of this item? I have seen a similar example of the form dating from the early 20th Century so that would be my best guess.

Could you post a pic of the example you're referring to, please?

(I reckon that for the blade 19th c. might be also a reasonable guess.)

Regards,
Kai

Gustav · 13th September 2012, 08:43 AM

When we are moving outside of Java with it's Tangguh system (which actually also isn't an age estimation system), the age estimation becomes more and more subjective (will say without a firm ground).

I feel, regarding this blade, age (19. or beginning of 20.cent) doesn't influence the value much. If we are looking to keris, quality in most cases an average western collector comes in touch is more important then age.

Shimmerxxx · 13th September 2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Could you post a pic of the example you're referring to, please?

(I reckon that for the blade 19th c. might be also a reasonable guess.)

Regards,
Kai

Of course, here's the example which I felt looks similar to the in the original post.

I have posted the link to the site this is shown on in one of my earlier posts above.

By the way, the dealer gave me full permission to post the photos here and asked if I could find out the age for him since Eastern weapons are outside his area of expertise.

9th September 2012, 02:01 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Beautiful keris most probable Sumatra Riau Bugis type. Top cross piece from the sheath are from kemuning wood and stem from angsana wood IMHO. Agree with Gustav about the turn of the handle. Have handled as well some Bugis type keris where the handle was fixed in this position.

11th September 2012, 05:50 PM	#5
Shimmerxxx Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Wickford, UK Posts: 54	Thanks for the feedback all. Does anyone have a feel for the age of this item? I have seen a similar example of the form dating from the early 20th Century so that would be my best guess.

13th September 2012, 08:43 AM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	When we are moving outside of Java with it's Tangguh system (which actually also isn't an age estimation system), the age estimation becomes more and more subjective (will say without a firm ground). I feel, regarding this blade, age (19. or beginning of 20.cent) doesn't influence the value much. If we are looking to keris, quality in most cases an average western collector comes in touch is more important then age.