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26th July 2012, 12:34 PM
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Is this a schiavona variation? Just sold on e-bay for <$250 :-)
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26th July 2012, 01:59 PM
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Naval sword
The pommel of course is the cat-head's-pommel we know from the sciavona.
Your sword is conform to a type of naval weapon which was used in 17th century by mercenaries of venice. Typical is the cat-heads-pommel, the guard and a rather short blade. So at first we have to define, what is a sciavona variation? Which are characteristics of the sciavona? Most important characteristics of sciavona: 1)The cat-heads-pommel (iron, brass, rarely silver or other) 2) the blade must be fit for cut 3) a basket hilt Do you agree? My opinioin: In remote sense can your sword be described as Sciavona variation (Pommel, blade). Presumably this was not a weapon used by dalmatian mercenaries, who were usually as foot-soldier in the service of Venice during the 17th/18th century, but startet their mercenary career as naval figthers during the Middle ages (Boccia). Probably there were dalmatians still in the navy around 1700 and used this type, but this is bold speculated. I think, other figthers enjoyed sciavona variations - like us 
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26th July 2012, 03:58 PM
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Hi Ben,
English auction catalogs use the expression shell-guard for the German word Stichblatt. Durchbrochenes Stichblatt is pierced shell-guard. Best, Michael |
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26th July 2012, 04:59 PM
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27th July 2012, 07:36 AM
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Good morning to all.
Thank you for help with english term, Matchlock. Fernando, of course the "naval sword" Ariel shows to us could be a composite one. The type is quickly done from old and new parts. A final assessment of the authenticity by photo is not possible. But the type (cat-head-pommel, shell, knuckleguard and short blade fit for cut) is not an individual case. So I am going to view my images from the doge's palace, if there is the type in the this fantastic collection. If I find one or some, I will post it. |
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27th July 2012, 02:09 PM
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the last exemple from ariel reply is a venetian naval sword called "Fanti del Mar" , it is a nice exemple but composite and a later exemple...
they was used by the venetian infantry troups called like the sword fanti del mar in italian , actually lagunari in Venice ( a modern military section ). Here one of my differents exemples I had . This one with venetian arsenal mark. |
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27th July 2012, 05:13 PM
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Eco
 Bravo, Lorenzo .
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27th July 2012, 05:57 PM
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All righty!
Now I do not have to look for an example.
Here it is! Great piece, berber dagger. Now I am jealous. How long is it overall? |
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28th July 2012, 10:58 AM
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Hello, This exemple was 90 cm circa , but usualy they can be from 85 to 102 cm max the largest exemple I seen ... thank you |
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27th July 2012, 06:26 PM
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some books exemple of schiavona's , fanti del mar , schiavonesca .
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27th July 2012, 06:33 PM
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others .
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