Dagger id question

Robert · 21st July 2012, 07:14 AM

Hello Neil, and may I add that this is a very interesting dagger you have found. Like Gav, I would very much like to see more images of the butt and tang of this piece to help in its identification. Now for the blade itself, I do not believe that it was ever part of any bayonet but instead is a common style from both the Philippines as well Spain and other areas that were once under Spanish rule. The faceted hilt is also very Philippine in style while the guard is more Chinese in appearance. This piece could very well be a Chinese/Philippine influenced design and possibly from Luzon. Like I stated earlier, more pictures of the end of the hilt would help in identifying it place of origin.

Robert

Neil · 21st July 2012, 01:29 PM

I really appreciate everyone's insightful comments. I will definitely post more pictures as requested.

At this point I am feeling the Philippine suggestions make the most sense to me. I know I have seen this blade form before, and when Robert mentioned Spanish influence it rung a bell as I look at the piece as a whole. I really see no Chinese commonalities that I am familiar with aside from the association of the group of knives it came in. I believe the former owner was a knife collector so it could have snuck in there under the radar. Of course that is just my opinion.

Neil · 21st July 2012, 10:04 PM

Here are the additional pictures.

Nathaniel · 21st July 2012, 10:29 PM

Good thought Robert, I can easily see how it could be a hybrid of a ethnically Chinese smith in the Philipines with the Spanish/ Philipino influence. The Chinese traded and settled all over Asia.

Sajen · 10th June 2015, 11:23 PM

By searching in old threads I stumbled over this thread. I think that the dagger in question is a Tres Kantos dagger from Luzon.

Regards,
Detlef

21st July 2012, 10:04 PM	#3
Neil Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 114	Here are the additional pictures. Attached Images

21st July 2012, 07:14 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Neil, and may I add that this is a very interesting dagger you have found. Like Gav, I would very much like to see more images of the butt and tang of this piece to help in its identification. Now for the blade itself, I do not believe that it was ever part of any bayonet but instead is a common style from both the Philippines as well Spain and other areas that were once under Spanish rule. The faceted hilt is also very Philippine in style while the guard is more Chinese in appearance. This piece could very well be a Chinese/Philippine influenced design and possibly from Luzon. Like I stated earlier, more pictures of the end of the hilt would help in identifying it place of origin. Robert

21st July 2012, 01:29 PM	#2
Neil Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 114	I really appreciate everyone's insightful comments. I will definitely post more pictures as requested. At this point I am feeling the Philippine suggestions make the most sense to me. I know I have seen this blade form before, and when Robert mentioned Spanish influence it rung a bell as I look at the piece as a whole. I really see no Chinese commonalities that I am familiar with aside from the association of the group of knives it came in. I believe the former owner was a knife collector so it could have snuck in there under the radar. Of course that is just my opinion.

21st July 2012, 10:29 PM	#4
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Good thought Robert, I can easily see how it could be a hybrid of a ethnically Chinese smith in the Philipines with the Spanish/ Philipino influence. The Chinese traded and settled all over Asia.

10th June 2015, 11:23 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,274	By searching in old threads I stumbled over this thread. I think that the dagger in question is a Tres Kantos dagger from Luzon. Regards, Detlef