Nimcha (?) with European Blade for Comments

Atlantia · 1st July 2012, 06:31 PM

Hi Lotfy,

Lovely sword!
Could the script read 'NOJA' or possibly even 'NOIA' and refer to the places Noja/Noia in Spain?

Just guessing of course.

Best
Gene

P.S. I suggest this because presumably there was much trade between Spain and North Africa?

A.alnakkas · 1st July 2012, 06:57 PM

hey,

Jim, when I made this topic, I remembered one made earlier by TVV which there was a discussion about the origin of these sabers. I guess we need to find a new term to describe them? Bedouin saber works just fine to me

I am actually very happy they come from the Sinai region, as I was planning on having a saber from that region. Any idea how the scabbard used to look like in its better days? I wont touch it though I like the roughness of this piece.

I am a big fan of rugged beat up pieces.. Infact most of my collection is like that :P

Gene, There are other letters but they are faded and some barely even show. So cant be sure :-(

Thanks both,

Lotfy

ariel · 1st July 2012, 07:38 PM

I am looking at it and think ... South Aravian.... The Sinai/Negev beduin sabres do not have either D-guards or quillons. They also do not have the cavity at the top of the handle, which is a common feature of N. African or Aravian sabers. That being said, nothing is impossible: the whole area was in a constant flux of beduin tribes, and mixed forms are dime a dozen. Also, the fact I never saw one does not mean they do not exist. I like these rugged, crude and unostentatious weapons very much.
I have been given a present of a "real" beduin sword from the Negev, newly made: a bastardized version of a Turkish kilij ( handle and crossguard) and home made shamshir-like blade made on a grinding wheel. Nothing touristy about it, it was specially made as a present to a very respected doctor in gratitude for saving sheik son's life. Top of the line. That was the modern beduin impression of the luxury sword :-) Times are changing...

Dom · 2nd July 2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Could the script read 'NOJA' or possibly even 'NOIA'

Hi Gene
I know that we have a different reading, it's well to compare several hypotheses
as far as a presentation of arguments come to support an allegation

here the same picture, processed to reveal what is not clear
I think, to read a "D"

friendly yours, all the best

à +

Dom

1st July 2012, 06:31 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Lotfy, Lovely sword! Could the script read 'NOJA' or possibly even 'NOIA' and refer to the places Noja/Noia in Spain? Just guessing of course. Best Gene P.S. I suggest this because presumably there was much trade between Spain and North Africa? Last edited by Atlantia; 1st July 2012 at 06:47 PM.

1st July 2012, 06:57 PM	#2
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	hey, Jim, when I made this topic, I remembered one made earlier by TVV which there was a discussion about the origin of these sabers. I guess we need to find a new term to describe them? Bedouin saber works just fine to me I am actually very happy they come from the Sinai region, as I was planning on having a saber from that region. Any idea how the scabbard used to look like in its better days? I wont touch it though I like the roughness of this piece. I am a big fan of rugged beat up pieces.. Infact most of my collection is like that :P Gene, There are other letters but they are faded and some barely even show. So cant be sure :-( Thanks both, Lotfy

1st July 2012, 07:38 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am looking at it and think ... South Aravian.... The Sinai/Negev beduin sabres do not have either D-guards or quillons. They also do not have the cavity at the top of the handle, which is a common feature of N. African or Aravian sabers. That being said, nothing is impossible: the whole area was in a constant flux of beduin tribes, and mixed forms are dime a dozen. Also, the fact I never saw one does not mean they do not exist. I like these rugged, crude and unostentatious weapons very much. I have been given a present of a "real" beduin sword from the Negev, newly made: a bastardized version of a Turkish kilij ( handle and crossguard) and home made shamshir-like blade made on a grinding wheel. Nothing touristy about it, it was specially made as a present to a very respected doctor in gratitude for saving sheik son's life. Top of the line. That was the modern beduin impression of the luxury sword :-) Times are changing...