help with the mark on a 1600 helmet....

fernando · 27th June 2012, 06:52 PM

Once this item is aledgely for sale, we ignore whether any negative comment may not fall within the seller's satisfaction, with consequent reflexes.
It is good that we refrain from posting comments other than the identification of the markings.

BerberDagger · 27th June 2012, 07:14 PM

the object is already my now so no problem .... let me know your opinions without problems ..... thanks

fernando · 27th June 2012, 07:19 PM

Then i say: magnificent

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Let's see what the connoisseurs say

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BerberDagger · 28th June 2012, 12:28 PM

thank you Fernando, I hope to have much opinion and comments please ... thank you

BerberDagger · 28th June 2012, 09:06 PM

hello, no comments ? olso abaut the helmet no only the mark ... thank you

A Senefelder · 29th June 2012, 04:28 PM

While I cannot help you with the mark, what you appear to have is a very nice example of a 17th century " savoryard " style tottenkopf curassiers helmet. This is a much more finished example of what could sometimes be very crude mass produced helmets for the average trooper ( the very defitintion of " munitions " armour ). The bowl is constructed in two halves which are joined along the crest via one half of the crest being slightly longer than the other, rolled over the shorter and crimped ( an increasingly common technique in the second half of the 16th century, and very common in the 17th ) and the halves overlaping front and back and being riveted. The details of the visor are especially nice. Based on the construction details from the pics I would say this is a nice upper end ( perhaps an officers ) 17th century curaissiers helmet. I am envious!

Jim McDougall · 29th June 2012, 05:51 PM

Beautifully described and wonderfully informative post Alan. Thank you so much!
While I know very little on helmets and armor it is great to have this kind of experienced assessment on the example Berber has shared here. The entire purpose of our forums is to share examples and learn together, and this kind of participation is outstanding. It is good to now know at least a little on these, and hope to learn more.

All the best,
Jim

27th June 2012, 06:52 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Attention Once this item is aledgely for sale, we ignore whether any negative comment may not fall within the seller's satisfaction, with consequent reflexes. It is good that we refrain from posting comments other than the identification of the markings.

27th June 2012, 07:14 PM	#2
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	the object is already my now so no problem .... let me know your opinions without problems ..... thanks

27th June 2012, 07:19 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Then i say: magnificent . Let's see what the connoisseurs say .

28th June 2012, 12:28 PM	#4
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	thank you Fernando, I hope to have much opinion and comments please ... thank you

28th June 2012, 09:06 PM	#5
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	hello, no comments ? olso abaut the helmet no only the mark ... thank you

29th June 2012, 04:28 PM	#6
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	While I cannot help you with the mark, what you appear to have is a very nice example of a 17th century " savoryard " style tottenkopf curassiers helmet. This is a much more finished example of what could sometimes be very crude mass produced helmets for the average trooper ( the very defitintion of " munitions " armour ). The bowl is constructed in two halves which are joined along the crest via one half of the crest being slightly longer than the other, rolled over the shorter and crimped ( an increasingly common technique in the second half of the 16th century, and very common in the 17th ) and the halves overlaping front and back and being riveted. The details of the visor are especially nice. Based on the construction details from the pics I would say this is a nice upper end ( perhaps an officers ) 17th century curaissiers helmet. I am envious!

29th June 2012, 05:51 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Beautifully described and wonderfully informative post Alan. Thank you so much! While I know very little on helmets and armor it is great to have this kind of experienced assessment on the example Berber has shared here. The entire purpose of our forums is to share examples and learn together, and this kind of participation is outstanding. It is good to now know at least a little on these, and hope to learn more. All the best, Jim