A mace from ......????

Henk · 11th June 2005, 07:45 PM

I picked up something that might be a mace from somewhere. Is there someone who recognize this thing? It has a knob and the shaft and knob are dressed with copper. The copper head on the knob is rather thick and heavy.

Tim Simmons · 11th June 2005, 08:11 PM

Hello Henk ,have the rings on the handle been turned on a lathe, it looks that way.Did all these three items come together.Tim

Henk · 11th June 2005, 08:26 PM

Hello Tim,

All the stuff came together.

I don't think the rings were turned on a lathe. they are a bit to irregular for that. The grooves are not straight and that is what you get on a lathe.

Tim Simmons · 11th June 2005, 08:33 PM

Hi Henk, again this is odd .All comming from the same source one has to assume they are most likley Indo/Persian,though something seems wrong about that assumption to me.Tim

Henk · 11th June 2005, 08:45 PM

Tim,

Unfortunately I cann't give an explanation for it either. I bought it on an estate. It was one lot together, so it came from one source. But how and why in this way??? I don't know either. You never know how and why someone is collecting. The kukri and the tulwars were the items for me.

Tim Simmons · 11th June 2005, 09:01 PM

This is new to me but I am going to say it might be Sudanese, the same feeling like with the axe.Tim

Tim Simmons · 11th June 2005, 09:25 PM

Look at this Samburu warriors club,quite a coincidence,seme handles are often finnished with rings.I am not saying this is East African.Tim

Henk · 11th June 2005, 10:14 PM

It has some simmilarities indeed, Tim. Maybe someone else who can add some info??

Tim Simmons · 24th June 2012, 06:48 PM

I bought this from Henk some years ago and have finally found out what is. It is a breach rod for a field gun. I recently saw a more modern one at a market. However I do have a picture of a Somali warrior brandishing one as a club. It would indeed make a jolly good club.

Henk · 27th June 2012, 01:32 PM

Tim,

I still wouldn't like to get a blow with it. I do remember this item and the feeling when i held it in my hands. A breach rod, I never would thought about that direction but looking at it I see it. I still wonder if it served as a mace or a club somewhere.

11th June 2005, 07:45 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	A mace from ......???? I picked up something that might be a mace from somewhere. Is there someone who recognize this thing? It has a knob and the shaft and knob are dressed with copper. The copper head on the knob is rather thick and heavy. Attached Images

11th June 2005, 09:25 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Look at this Samburu warriors club,quite a coincidence,seme handles are often finnished with rings.I am not saying this is East African.Tim Attached Images

11th June 2005, 08:11 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Hello Henk ,have the rings on the handle been turned on a lathe, it looks that way.Did all these three items come together.Tim

11th June 2005, 08:26 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Hello Tim, All the stuff came together. I don't think the rings were turned on a lathe. they are a bit to irregular for that. The grooves are not straight and that is what you get on a lathe.

11th June 2005, 08:33 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Hi Henk, again this is odd .All comming from the same source one has to assume they are most likley Indo/Persian,though something seems wrong about that assumption to me.Tim

11th June 2005, 08:45 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Tim, Unfortunately I cann't give an explanation for it either. I bought it on an estate. It was one lot together, so it came from one source. But how and why in this way??? I don't know either. You never know how and why someone is collecting. The kukri and the tulwars were the items for me.

11th June 2005, 09:01 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	This is new to me but I am going to say it might be Sudanese, the same feeling like with the axe.Tim

11th June 2005, 10:14 PM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It has some simmilarities indeed, Tim. Maybe someone else who can add some info??

24th June 2012, 06:48 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	I bought this from Henk some years ago and have finally found out what is. It is a breach rod for a field gun. I recently saw a more modern one at a market. However I do have a picture of a Somali warrior brandishing one as a club. It would indeed make a jolly good club.

27th June 2012, 01:32 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Tim, I still wouldn't like to get a blow with it. I do remember this item and the feeling when i held it in my hands. A breach rod, I never would thought about that direction but looking at it I see it. I still wonder if it served as a mace or a club somewhere.