Thouma Jambiya by BOUSANI

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I am sure that Dom will be all over these stamps fairly immediately !

aleikum salam
Ibrahiim ... you wrote immediately
but it's without to take in your account, the difficulty of reading ...
even, after headache, a name (?) didn't found a translation ...
now here our statement;

- the stamp recorded on pic as n°1 is the same origin than already translated
AARON BEN CHAMAT his Jewish root is without doubt

- the stamp recorded on pic as n°2 is different and is without contest from an Muslim workshop,
is consisting of names, but one hasn't be translated (?)
in the sens of reading;
- in "yellow" ... HUSSEIN
- in "white" ... (?)
- in "green" ... MOHLESS
- in "red" ... SAYED

colors aren't for puerile beautification ...
it's just to justify to the Arabic readers, our understanding,
and to give them a chance to correct if necessary

sorry, if that has been a bit long ... but really not easy

à +

Dom

[spiral]

Many thanks Dom!

Yes Ibrahiim , Ive seen that stamp, is it applied on a seperate piece of metal? I dont know if thats common in Yemeni jewelry , but in many countries it how stamps are "moved" from one peice of jewelry to another to give fake provinance.

So the Muslim one we can discount for this discusian.

Here a picture showing the front of the chape carrying the same mark as yours Khanjar.

I have clipped it down in size as it is still currently for sale. {Unfortuanatly its hilt is very sad one. }

Spiral

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by spiral

Many thanks Dom!

Yes Ibrahiim , Ive seen that stamp, is it applied on a seperate piece of metal? I dont know if thats common in Yemeni jewelry , but in many countries it how stamps are "moved" from one peice of jewelry to another to give fake provinance.

So the Muslim one we can discount for this discusian.

Here a picture showing the front of the chape carrying the same mark as yours Khanjar.

I have clipped it down in size as it is still currently for sale. {Unfortuanatly its hilt is very sad one. }

Spiral

Salaams spiral. This is great support work and thanks to Dom.. What seems to be confirmed is the same stamp on a girth belt buckle at #1 and a stamp on a separate scabbard plate from a different Thouma shown. I think the Islamic stamp on the jewellery is worth noting (it is excellent to have stamps looked at from the region and well worth cataloging.) but may be sidelined from this debate since the major probe is on Jewish-Yemeni work.

I remind Forum that the rectangular plate at # 1 is older than the other furniture on the weapon and that as yet no ID has been received(yet) of other stamps on the #1 item. In addition questions on authenticity of hilt (and hilt adornment) and blade remain placing pressure on the likelihood of this being all of one workshops namely the House of Baws and pre 1949, though, frankly the thread moves on and hopefully can address other issues concerning Jewish-Yemeni craftsmanship, style and stamp recognition.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams, Forum Library note : see https://organicafricanredtea.com/ima...n_jewel_en.pdf for an outstanding reference on Jewish-Yemeni craftsmanship and a lot more.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[spiral]

mmmm.... I didnt link to that one Ibrahiim as thats where the stamp I posted earliercame from, identified as clearly Muslim by Dom ... Which means pdf.material isnt 100% reliable... Its not all Yeminite Jewish work after all.

Great pics & fascinating history though!

Glad you can get the article on the marks now, It may be an interesting piece...

Spiral

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by spiral

mmmm.... I didnt link to that one Ibrahiim as thats where the stamp I posted earliercame from, identified as clearly Muslim by Dom ... Which means pdf.material isnt 100% reliable... Its not all Yeminite Jewish work after all.

Great pics & fascinating history though!

Glad you can get the article on the marks now, It may be an interesting piece...

Spiral

Salaams Spiral ~ Ah yes I see that now... I normally trawl web pages as far back as about page 6 then give up ! In this case a useful search . I think there may well be corrupted stamps but at least we can then advance the library understanding since we would then be considering known stamp marks and known style and who knows in the furure we can identify such copies as spurious... I don't have the reference though its cheap enough I will get it eventually !
It opens the door to further detective work and hopefully a forum catalogue of Jewish-Yemeni silver stamps.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams,
Note to Library The thread appears to have ground to a halt ~ Does that mean # 1 will not be modified to read, in a balanced way, what it is known to have as original House of Baws parts or whatever the stamp is on the girth buckle whilst other parts may have been added later?
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.