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15th June 2012, 08:04 AM
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messer in Cluny paris,the leftmost in the picture.
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20th June 2012, 02:11 PM
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Lat one isn't a messer, it's a hand-and-a-half saber in the swiss tradition. Hilt construction is of the sword type. Very famous, but not in Cluny, in Musee de l'armee.
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20th June 2012, 02:31 PM
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Thanks, Broadaxe,
For pointing this out! I attach some more close ups of this unusual piece. m Last edited by Matchlock; 20th June 2012 at 02:44 PM. |
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20th June 2012, 07:25 PM
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saber; follow the definition of Heribert Seitz Blankwaffen p183. the word saber has a magyaric origin szablya , Servian and russian sablja , french and english sabre, spanish sable italian sciabla . The saber is a weapon that is worn on the side, with long curved blade and asymmetrical, often slightly forward bent handle/grip. the curvature of the saber offers an extension of the cutting edge and is for a combined blow and cutting function created. The weapon under discussion has no curved blade and is therefor according to the definition of Seitz but also others fe JP Puype no saber! further is the hilt construction also not of a sword type, because each sword has a pommel.This is necessary in order to be a sword and not another weapon. It is a further development of the Falchion type and forerunner of the Messer. In the swiss tradition? can you please explain what you mean with this? Do you know Swiss art with this weapon depicted or similar Swiss weapons? Indeed, the weapon is located in the musée lármee, my apologies. best, Last edited by cornelistromp; 20th June 2012 at 08:58 PM. |
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24th June 2012, 09:30 PM
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A Grosses Messer Saber, ca. 1540
This piece could by identical to the one in post #4.
The blade is struck with a pi mark. Sold Hermann Historica, Oct. 20, 2005. m |
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12th October 2012, 08:23 AM
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Dorotheum 12 June lot 33, with thanks to Michael.
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12th October 2012, 11:33 AM
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And where is Michael, Jasper ... do tou happen to know ?
A couple weeks since he has last been around 
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12th October 2012, 05:26 PM
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Your PM box is full, Jasper.
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