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3rd June 2012, 11:49 PM
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Nice pieces! I think from their pattern that they are perhaps Javanese? The haft also appears to be a tropical wood. Just a guess, though. Let's see what the others think-
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4th June 2012, 01:38 AM
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I'm not thinking they're Javan/Indonesian Mark .
The gestalt ain't there .  The sockets look too crude, plus most Javan/Indonesian spears are tanged . I have no guesses about origin though unless China . 
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4th June 2012, 02:54 AM
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These seem to be so-called peasants weapons (German Kriegsgabeln), Central to Northern Europe (possibly Germanic, e.g. Italian, Swiss, Austrian or German), probably 17th-18th c. though they had been in use for at least a thousand years before.
Attached are scans from a medieval painting of ca. 1440-45. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 4th June 2012 at 02:14 PM. |
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4th June 2012, 05:27 AM
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I think that the wooden handles are not original, that they have been added after does not rely a them
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4th June 2012, 05:58 AM
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photos of sleeves, I do not know if they are original?
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4th June 2012, 03:16 PM
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Hi weapons 27, The lower ends of these hafts are highly unusual in not being equipped with pointed iron shoes and, additionally, are rounded which makes any use both unpractical and unlikely. The wooden hafts should at least end flat as was the case with pike hafts. I do not think these items have a European provenance. Could you give the overall lengths of the pieces? Best, Michael |
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4th June 2012, 04:01 PM
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For threads on early European pikes please see
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=pikes http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=pikes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_%28weapon%29 Attached are photos of a group of Thirty Years War pikemen (infantry) against cavalry in the Tojhusmuseet of Copenhagen, and of a reenactment scene in the style of the late 16th c. m Last edited by Matchlock; 4th June 2012 at 04:45 PM. |
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4th June 2012, 04:24 PM
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hi matchlock
the length is about 1 m 30 a 1 m 45 for the longer |
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4th June 2012, 04:45 PM
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Here are five other Pikes, known in france peaks a wolves, would have been used to repel the attacks of wolves?????
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4th June 2012, 07:54 PM
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A fine and unusual Swiss musket rest for a heavy matchlock musket, ca. 1600-20, combined with a very rare match holder serpentine corresponding to that of the musket, on its original carved and figured ash-wood haft and fitted with a characteristic pointed iron and copper-soldered shoe.
The iron parts retaining their 'untouched' original blackened surface. Interestingly enough, the shoe is pierced for a nail which was never there though. Anyway, it fitted perfectly without a nail for 400 years! Author's collection. Best, m |
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