cultures moderation tips for keris lovers

purwacarita · 3rd September 2005, 03:49 AM

Newbees got themselves cheated in fact by those who they respect as trustworthy. As because trustworthy people knew how much money they could make by fooling one's belief who does not possess adequate comprehension of their culture, and then left their victims financially hurt, degraded faith and got pessimistic towards their own traditions.

Very harmful to culture, no?

Yes necesh, you are possibly right when keris is looked from money value perspective, and probably not. Moeny value perspective is not all about keris. What I meant when I first start this thread is to gather culturic perspectives from different cultures, and the "buy the keris, not the story" thing sounds more realistic than culturic.

And as a cultured person, it is my duty oh,

my pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees, not because I have excessive knowledge so I can spare some little.

Well, cultured Indonesia keris devotees, ...your tips, please?!

Culture could not be built based on deception of money making machine. Second tip.

Keris is a symbol of something. Ask question to yourself,"What in you will be symbolized by your dreamy keris?"

In doing so, you will not mistakenly acquire keris to symbolize unnecessary things of yours like,
- your wealth, because your money already show its perfectly.
- your health, because your diet already show it perfectly also.
- your status, because your tax is the best symbol of it.
- your greed or arrogance, because your attitude reflects that better.
- your power, over what?
- your lust, ...be rational, it does not have to be symbolized.
- etc.

nechesh · 3rd September 2005, 06:52 AM

Sorry purwacarita, i was not looking at keris from the money perspective, just trying to make folks realize that $1000 USD is a drop in the bucket towards the cost of a truly fine old keris pusaka. Certainly there may be other ways to obtain such a keris that does not demand money, but realistically, that is the most common way keris change hands these days. Yes, there is a great deal more to the keris than it's material value.
Perhaps you can be a little more direct with us. What, for instance, does the keris represent in YOUR life?
I don't believe i or anyone was debating that the "culture could not be built based on deception of money making machine." You began this thread by talking about a friend who was ripped off by an unscrupuous dealer. I think then it was you who brought money into this discussion.

If you are looking for "culturic perspectives" then i think you need to get a bit more specific and define exactly what you are looking for. "Buy the keris, not the story" is a direct response to your original posting. I guess i don't really know what you mean by "culturic perspectives from different cultures".

You wrote: "And as a cultured person, it is my duty oh, my pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees, not because I have excessive knowledge so I can spare some little."

This would be nice, i always like a bit of light shed. I realize there are difficulties in the languages and i commend you for you skills so far, but frankly i have found your posts somewhat cryptic, as if you are not quite saying what it is you really want to say about keris. If you have knowledge, please share it.

purwacarita · 3rd September 2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechesh

What, for instance, does the keris represent in YOUR life?

Hi nechesh. Patience, ...a few tips are coming. Yet I'm not the only keris devotee in this forum, however you seem to understand the "cryptic drop in the bucket" culture of Indonesia keris.

nechesh · 3rd September 2005, 04:48 PM

Yes Purwacarita, i understand the " 'cryptic drop in the bucket' culture of Indonesia keris" quite well, but frankly, in my experience (at least as it applies to contributions on this forum) it never amounts to anything other than a lot of hot air.

I trust that in this example it will not be the case.

"Indonesian keris devotees" such as our brother Boedhi Adhitya have already written quite clearly and eloquently of the subject of modern mysticism and the keris, so perhaps it is your turn to reveal your "tips" more clearly. You say it is your " duty oh, (your) pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees" , but right now your sun seems to be covered in the clouds.

Rick · 3rd September 2005, 04:51 PM

I'm getting deja vu all over again .

We have been down this road so many times in the years that I have been moderating here .

So while we are waiting for answers I thought I'd share this new keris with you all .
Yes , from Madura .
I don't collect keris to accrue power , but I do believe that ALL fine works of art regardless of culture are prayers in and of themselves and that they are expressions of the divine nature of man .

3rd September 2005, 03:49 AM	#1
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	Symbolizing Newbees got themselves cheated in fact by those who they respect as trustworthy. As because trustworthy people knew how much money they could make by fooling one's belief who does not possess adequate comprehension of their culture, and then left their victims financially hurt, degraded faith and got pessimistic towards their own traditions. Very harmful to culture, no? Yes necesh, you are possibly right when keris is looked from money value perspective, and probably not. Moeny value perspective is not all about keris. What I meant when I first start this thread is to gather culturic perspectives from different cultures, and the "buy the keris, not the story" thing sounds more realistic than culturic. And as a cultured person, it is my duty oh, my pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees, not because I have excessive knowledge so I can spare some little. Well, cultured Indonesia keris devotees, ...your tips, please?! Culture could not be built based on deception of money making machine. Second tip. Keris is a symbol of something. Ask question to yourself,"What in you will be symbolized by your dreamy keris?" In doing so, you will not mistakenly acquire keris to symbolize unnecessary things of yours like, - your wealth, because your money already show its perfectly. - your health, because your diet already show it perfectly also. - your status, because your tax is the best symbol of it. - your greed or arrogance, because your attitude reflects that better. - your power, over what? - your lust, ...be rational, it does not have to be symbolized. - etc.

3rd September 2005, 04:51 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Deja Vu I'm getting deja vu all over again . We have been down this road so many times in the years that I have been moderating here . So while we are waiting for answers I thought I'd share this new keris with you all . Yes , from Madura . I don't collect keris to accrue power , but I do believe that ALL fine works of art regardless of culture are prayers in and of themselves and that they are expressions of the divine nature of man . Attached Images

3rd September 2005, 06:52 AM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Sorry purwacarita, i was not looking at keris from the money perspective, just trying to make folks realize that $1000 USD is a drop in the bucket towards the cost of a truly fine old keris pusaka. Certainly there may be other ways to obtain such a keris that does not demand money, but realistically, that is the most common way keris change hands these days. Yes, there is a great deal more to the keris than it's material value. Perhaps you can be a little more direct with us. What, for instance, does the keris represent in YOUR life? I don't believe i or anyone was debating that the "culture could not be built based on deception of money making machine." You began this thread by talking about a friend who was ripped off by an unscrupuous dealer. I think then it was you who brought money into this discussion. If you are looking for "culturic perspectives" then i think you need to get a bit more specific and define exactly what you are looking for. "Buy the keris, not the story" is a direct response to your original posting. I guess i don't really know what you mean by "culturic perspectives from different cultures". You wrote: "And as a cultured person, it is my duty oh, my pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees, not because I have excessive knowledge so I can spare some little." This would be nice, i always like a bit of light shed. I realize there are difficulties in the languages and i commend you for you skills so far, but frankly i have found your posts somewhat cryptic, as if you are not quite saying what it is you really want to say about keris. If you have knowledge, please share it.

3rd September 2005, 04:48 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Yes Purwacarita, i understand the " 'cryptic drop in the bucket' culture of Indonesia keris" quite well, but frankly, in my experience (at least as it applies to contributions on this forum) it never amounts to anything other than a lot of hot air. I trust that in this example it will not be the case. "Indonesian keris devotees" such as our brother Boedhi Adhitya have already written quite clearly and eloquently of the subject of modern mysticism and the keris, so perhaps it is your turn to reveal your "tips" more clearly. You say it is your " duty oh, (your) pleasure to contribute and shed light to those newbees" , but right now your sun seems to be covered in the clouds.