Bagobo Shield Puzzler

Sajen · 24th May 2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi again,
Sajen; your blanket or may be skirt (depends on size) is I also think worn and used by the Ifugao, as it is derived from a quite large textile from the Ifugao, called a 'baya'ong'. These were worn by more wealthy as it can be chilly there. Included a pic of such large cloth. Though have to say yours has black color and the early 20th cent pieces are in indigo blue.
Kalinga (South-)use different ones with red n d.blue stripes and embroidered with yellow n red 'pyramids'.
Thanks for sharing your pieces; very nice!

Thank you! The size is 117 x 66 cm, the last picture show only the half, I have hang it up over a door. I think it is complete as there are on both sides border.

Regards,

Detlef

Clubs & Arrows · 24th May 2012, 09:12 PM

Wouter,
Thank you for the pic with the woven helmet/hat. I completely forgot to include pics from the book that I mentioned as far as the wooden skull. I would love to know what the actual use was, since all they do is speculate on it's purpose in the book. I thought that perhaps the groove that goes around it was to tie something around it for suspension....but again just speculation.

Best,
Joe

Indianajones · 31st May 2012, 08:40 PM

As said, have made some new collectionpics and here are two overviews as a preview. 'Tickets can be bought at the entrance and children until 10 are for free'

On the last pic one can see the two 19cent. Ifugao wooden helmets called 'oklop' (fantastic patine!).
<got to resize the rest first>
explan.;
first pic, left corner begins with Gadang-tribe (most colorfull), Kalinga in middle (colorfull) and with Ifugao-tribe right, in corner.
second pic; right corner begins with Itaves/North-Kalinga, than basket collection, Large Ifugao or Kankanai (funeral-) blanket, shelfs with sorcery figures e.m and (hardly to be seen) the Bontoc-tribe in the left corner.

apolaki · 2nd June 2012, 12:12 AM

are the dragon/demon masks made by the ifugao authentic cultural items or are they simply tourist items that are adopted from other cultures like Native hawaiian/pacific islanders?

VANDOO · 2nd June 2012, 12:23 AM

TOURIST TIKI MASKS SOLD IN HAWAII LIKELY CARVED SOMEWHERE ELSE POSSIBLY PHILIPPINE.

apolaki · 7th September 2012, 12:56 AM

what is a reasonable price for a ginuttu belt?

i wish i could have one!!!

VANDOO · 24th September 2012, 04:42 AM

I PASSED THRU ST. LOUIS TODAY AND STOPPED BY THE MISSOURI HISTORY MUSEUM AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE SHIELD. THE ONE THERE HAS A VERY SIMULAR PATTERN COVERING THE ENTIRE SHIELD BUT IS CARVED INTO THE WOOD IN VERY DEEP RELIEF TYPE CARVING. DEFINITELY DONE BY A MASTER BAGOBO CARVER TO SHOW HIS SKILL FOR THE WORLDS FAIR. MAKEING A PATTERN AND CUTTING THE METAL WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER WAY TO PUT THOSE DESIGNS ON A SHIELD THAN CARVING EACH SHIELD BY HAND.
I STILL THINK I HAVE SEEN A SHIELD WITH THE METAL CUTOUT DESIGN LIKE YOURS BUT CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE. THE SHIELD IN ST LOUIS RESEMBLES YOURS IN DESIGN AND PATTERN BUT THERE IS NO METAL ONLY WOOD AND HAIR TUFTS ON THE SIDES. I THINK A PATERN COULD BE MADE OF THE WOOD SHIELD AND MANY METAL PIECES ATTACHED TO WOOD SHIELD FORMS FOR SALE SO THERE MAY STILL BE SOME CONNECTION EITHER TO THE WORLDS FAIR OR TO THE BAGOBO MAN WHO CARVED THE SHIELD IN THE MUSEUM.

T. Koch · 25th September 2012, 09:01 AM

Wow, Joe, Wouter and Detlef, those are some amazingly impressive displays! I love the atmosphere and the overall visual impression one gets of them. I think the idea with period photos in between the pieces is really neat too!

One question though, if you do live with wives or girlfriends: How do you get them to go along with something like that - do they collect too or do you guys have rooms of your own to go ethno-crazy in?

Cheers, - Thor

Indianajones · 25th September 2012, 12:12 PM

girlfriend?! The key is to have her see your collectionroom as her 'walk-in-closet'

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Mine is often wearing a grass skirt when vaccuuming n cuts the steak with an antique Ifugaosword . . . Picture that . .hmmm!

24th May 2012, 09:12 PM	#2
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Wouter, Thank you for the pic with the woven helmet/hat. I completely forgot to include pics from the book that I mentioned as far as the wooden skull. I would love to know what the actual use was, since all they do is speculate on it's purpose in the book. I thought that perhaps the groove that goes around it was to tie something around it for suspension....but again just speculation. Best, Joe Attached Images

31st May 2012, 08:40 PM	#3
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	As said, have made some new collectionpics and here are two overviews as a preview. 'Tickets can be bought at the entrance and children until 10 are for free' On the last pic one can see the two 19cent. Ifugao wooden helmets called 'oklop' (fantastic patine!). <got to resize the rest first> explan.; first pic, left corner begins with Gadang-tribe (most colorfull), Kalinga in middle (colorfull) and with Ifugao-tribe right, in corner. second pic; right corner begins with Itaves/North-Kalinga, than basket collection, Large Ifugao or Kankanai (funeral-) blanket, shelfs with sorcery figures e.m and (hardly to be seen) the Bontoc-tribe in the left corner. Attached Images

2nd June 2012, 12:12 AM	#4
apolaki Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	Dragon/Demon Masks made by Ifugao are the dragon/demon masks made by the ifugao authentic cultural items or are they simply tourist items that are adopted from other cultures like Native hawaiian/pacific islanders? Attached Images

2nd June 2012, 12:23 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TOURIST TIKI MASKS SOLD IN HAWAII LIKELY CARVED SOMEWHERE ELSE POSSIBLY PHILIPPINE.

7th September 2012, 12:56 AM	#6
apolaki Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	what is a reasonable price for a ginuttu belt? i wish i could have one!!!

24th September 2012, 04:42 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I PASSED THRU ST. LOUIS TODAY AND STOPPED BY THE MISSOURI HISTORY MUSEUM AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE SHIELD. THE ONE THERE HAS A VERY SIMULAR PATTERN COVERING THE ENTIRE SHIELD BUT IS CARVED INTO THE WOOD IN VERY DEEP RELIEF TYPE CARVING. DEFINITELY DONE BY A MASTER BAGOBO CARVER TO SHOW HIS SKILL FOR THE WORLDS FAIR. MAKEING A PATTERN AND CUTTING THE METAL WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER WAY TO PUT THOSE DESIGNS ON A SHIELD THAN CARVING EACH SHIELD BY HAND. I STILL THINK I HAVE SEEN A SHIELD WITH THE METAL CUTOUT DESIGN LIKE YOURS BUT CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE. THE SHIELD IN ST LOUIS RESEMBLES YOURS IN DESIGN AND PATTERN BUT THERE IS NO METAL ONLY WOOD AND HAIR TUFTS ON THE SIDES. I THINK A PATERN COULD BE MADE OF THE WOOD SHIELD AND MANY METAL PIECES ATTACHED TO WOOD SHIELD FORMS FOR SALE SO THERE MAY STILL BE SOME CONNECTION EITHER TO THE WORLDS FAIR OR TO THE BAGOBO MAN WHO CARVED THE SHIELD IN THE MUSEUM.

25th September 2012, 09:01 AM	#8
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Wow, Joe, Wouter and Detlef, those are some amazingly impressive displays! I love the atmosphere and the overall visual impression one gets of them. I think the idea with period photos in between the pieces is really neat too! One question though, if you do live with wives or girlfriends: How do you get them to go along with something like that - do they collect too or do you guys have rooms of your own to go ethno-crazy in? Cheers, - Thor

25th September 2012, 12:12 PM	#9
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	girlfriend?! The key is to have her see your collectionroom as her 'walk-in-closet' . Mine is often wearing a grass skirt when vaccuuming n cuts the steak with an antique Ifugaosword . . . Picture that . .hmmm!