Keris Sheikh Ahmad Qomi

[HangPC2]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

and it turns out I was quite lucky too to find the same cabinet with the figure with the Keris...it is actually quite a famous cabinet...not only for the gentleman with the Keris, but also the European figure on the left panel door.

Thanks Nathaniel


European figure ?


France, Dutch or Portuguese ?

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Can we clarify further whether the figure was supposed to be an Indian or a Persian? Merchants and envoys of both nationalities were present in Siam to be looked at, and King Narai is said to have dressed in Persian style, so there must have been aspects of clothing that for Thais signaled “Indian” (or “Mughal”) as opposed to “Persian.”

Example





Sultan Sulaiman (Phra Chao Mueng Songkhla)


Sultan of Singgora (Songkhla)


Ethnic : Malay


Costume : Ottoman clothing









Malay Turban ?


A 1602 Dutch engraving ( entitled “ Triumphal procession near the city of Patani ” ) of the entourage of Patani’s famed Raja Hijau (1584-1616). The Queen rides a decoratively harnessed elephant, accompanied by her maids-in-waiting (and plausibly her sisters, the future Rajas Biru and Ungu) on other elephants. Noblemen accompany the entourage, which has its full complement of Malay palace guards and soldiers in Portuguese-supplied helmets and battle gear. According to the original German and Latin text, two elephants in the vanguard carry armaments in honour of the late King and Raja Hijau’s father, Sultan Bahadur Shah.

Image: Isaac Commelin, “ Hoe de Koninginne van Patana haer gaet vermaecken ” in Begin ende Voortgangh van de Vereenighde Nederlandsche Geoctroyeerde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Beginning and Ending of the Dutch East India Company), 1646, extracted from the Atlas of Mutual Heritage, Nationaal Archief, Nederland (National Archive of the Netherlands).

[PenangsangII]

so Siam ? Ayuthaya was indeed a muslim state....

over the years the history of Siam was reconstructed to befit the Thai nationalism. I am sorry, thats is at least what many in Malaysia, esp in the northern part see it.....

[David]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

so Siam ? Ayuthaya was indeed a muslim state....

over the years the history of Siam was reconstructed to befit the Thai nationalism. I am sorry, thats is at least what many in Malaysia, esp in the northern part see it.....

I am not really interested in entertaining such a contentious question on this forum, especially since it seems to have little to do with keris.
Many nations reconstruct their history somewhat, including, i dare say, Malaysia.
I does seem strange to me however that a cabinet depicting such clear human form would be the product of a Islamic culture. It should also be understood that the history of Ayutthaya was recorded by many others besides the Thai themselves as they traded openly with states as far away as France.

[HangPC2]

Interesting !!!

[David]

Hang, i am sure we would all find it more interesting if you could tell us where these doors are.

[HangPC2]

Originally Posted by David

Hang, i am sure we would all find it more interesting if you could tell us where these doors are.

Mural Drawing at Siam Wat '' Temple ''

http://www.thailandtatler.com/tag/mahosadha-jataka/


Foreign Mercenaries


Ekatotsarot's reign saw the influx of foreigners into Siam as traders and mercenaries. Ekatotsarot established Krom Asas (volunteered regiments) of foreign soldiers, for example; Krom Asa Mon, Krom Asa Cham '' Champa '', Krom Asa Yipun (Japanese mercenaries), and Krom Asa Maen Puen (Arquebusiers - the Portuguese and Dutch). Ekatotsarot had a close relations with the Tokugawa shogunate under Tokugawa Ieyasu who commissioned Red Seal Ships to Siam. Around this time the Siamese metallurgists learned the arts of forging mortars from the Westerners and combined with traditional methods giving rise to the praised Siamese mortars known for their qualities.

[HangPC2]

Makassar Revolt @ Makassar Rebellion (1686)





Makassar Weapon






http://www.siamese-heritage.org/jssp...asarRevolt.pdf