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2nd May 2012, 05:20 PM
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the bagobo shield (upper right hand corner in the pic) sometimes have cross-like symbols, too ...
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3rd May 2012, 03:58 AM
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i notice the pattern going down. could just be a coincident. i notice the shield smack in the middle as well... |
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3rd May 2012, 04:03 AM
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I thought the Bagobo were in the southeastern part of Mindanao while the Maguindanao and Maranao are on the northwest of the island.............
However, could the sign also be for the 4 directions as well? |
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3rd May 2012, 04:51 AM
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possibility, jose, but why aren't these symbols more commonly used? my assumption on where lorenz was going was whoever owned this kris has strong bagobo ties; perhaps a former bagobo slave that eventually stayed with the tribe, or something to that effect.
 btw, googled the area where the bagobos lived. and they were practically next door to the maguindanaos (upland bagobo, that is)... |
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3rd May 2012, 09:08 AM
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ron, no particular direction i'm going ... just muddling through
 but yes, the bagobos are very close geographically to the maguindanaos, if not next door neighbors: |
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3rd May 2012, 09:11 AM
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the circle atop an inverted 'v' is also reminiscent of lumad iconography on their brasswork (the lumad kris pic is from erik farrow, and the top inset is from my lumad panabas) ...
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3rd May 2012, 02:52 PM
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very interesting topic, but all we can do is hypothesize at this point. the bagobo angle is a good possibility. the compass looking icon is eerily similar.. |
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4th May 2012, 05:44 AM
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Since these Moro weapons are far outside my usual areas I have really been enjoyong the input here, thanks very much Lorenzo and Jose and Ron for posting this.
It seems that markings are commonly lifted from many outside sources and influences much the same as European marks were copied in North Africa as well as many cultures. Markings which fit well in the parlance of local lore, superstitions and talismanic properties and were often selected for their similarity or interpretative applications. With that perspective, I wonder how reliable classification to certain tribal groups really is based on these kinds of markings and motif. It seems that through various kinds of contact they would adopt favored selections and use them along with others. All best regards, Jim |
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