Old tenegre

VVV · 29th April 2012, 05:17 PM

Hi Detlef,

I think your beauty is a Binangon too (according to the classification in the good old days when we had more Visayan researchers here).
The hilt probably depicts Bakunawa (a local version of the Naga, a sea monster that swallows the moon now and then) as a response to the discussion in the other thread.

Michael

Sajen · 29th April 2012, 05:34 PM

Hi Michael,

first thank you for the respond about the Bakunawa in the other thread and the compliment about my one.

I ever have referred my binangon and tenegre with help from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=binangon, see post # 24.

But however described your sword, it is as well a beauty!

Regards,

Detlef

VVV · 29th April 2012, 06:03 PM

Thanks for the link, now I am confused?
If Ron, Nacho or someone else from the Visayas please could explain the difference between the two terms?

Michael

Sajen · 29th April 2012, 06:23 PM

Agree, a clarification of the terms would be great!

Indianajones · 29th April 2012, 08:39 PM

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?
Greets
Bt.w. Sajen just keep on looking, there surely will be another one on e. . y.

Sajen · 29th April 2012, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?
Greets
Bt.w. Sajen just keep on looking, there surely will be another one on e. . y.

Hi Wouter,

for the bands around the scabbard have a look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=binangon
By this feature and some other points like the "pressed" head of the Bakunawa and the iron ferrule I have point it down by the estimated age.

Sure that there will be one day another one but unsure if I can get it by a price like this. Old ones like this are rare. But I am happy that it will join in such a great collection, no big sadness!

Regards,

Detlef

Dimasalang · 30th April 2012, 07:04 PM

Very nice piece!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?

I've looked back through this forum on the topic of those thin shaved pieces. For awhile many believed they were shaved tortoise shell. But now the consensus is they are shaved carabao horn...which is now a lost art. You will not find anyone in the Philippines who has this skill or craft.
I also have an image of a salakot with reference to it being made of shaved carabao horn. It is translucent as well and looks exactly like this.

nacho · 1st May 2012, 03:47 AM

Binangon is a generic term for any sword (as used in the Iloilo dialect). But people here (Philippines) generally use the term binangon to refer to any Ilonggo sword.

Thus, the "tenegre" can also be called a "binangon".

However, "tenegres" are a special type of "binangon" -- one that has the characteristic monster face.

BTW, it is a very nice piece!

29th April 2012, 05:17 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Detlef, I think your beauty is a Binangon too (according to the classification in the good old days when we had more Visayan researchers here). The hilt probably depicts Bakunawa (a local version of the Naga, a sea monster that swallows the moon now and then) as a response to the discussion in the other thread. Michael

29th April 2012, 05:34 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Hi Michael, first thank you for the respond about the Bakunawa in the other thread and the compliment about my one. I ever have referred my binangon and tenegre with help from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=binangon, see post # 24. But however described your sword, it is as well a beauty! Regards, Detlef

29th April 2012, 06:03 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for the link, now I am confused? If Ron, Nacho or someone else from the Visayas please could explain the difference between the two terms? Michael

29th April 2012, 06:23 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Agree, a clarification of the terms would be great!

29th April 2012, 08:39 PM	#5
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else? Greets Bt.w. Sajen just keep on looking, there surely will be another one on e. . y.

1st May 2012, 03:47 AM	#8
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	Binangon is a generic term for any sword (as used in the Iloilo dialect). But people here (Philippines) generally use the term binangon to refer to any Ilonggo sword. Thus, the "tenegre" can also be called a "binangon". However, "tenegres" are a special type of "binangon" -- one that has the characteristic monster face. BTW, it is a very nice piece!