Ottoman dagger-knife?

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I think that is an interesting point about the cross~ However I dont think it is what you suggest.

Aleikum Salam Ibrahim
you are probably right,
myself I never bring more importance about this (cross) sign,
what is for me, a decor element, and not necessarily, a religious expression

my remark was the reflect of comments that I got,
during all the years spent in Middle-East, and even in Egypt
I understood that was a sensitive point, and I kept this in my mind
this, explaining ... that

best regards

à +

Dom

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Dom

Aleikum Salam Ibrahim
you are probably right,
myself I never bring more importance about this (cross) sign,
what is for me, a decor element, and not necessarily, a religious expression

my remark was the reflect of comments that I got,
during all the years spent in Middle-East, and even in Egypt
I understood that was a sensitive point, and I kept this in my mind
this, explaining ... that

best regards

à +

Dom

Salaams Dom ~ I think we can work around the cross thing, as usual, very effectively. The reference I meant to show today I accidentally left at home so it will be done tomorrow .. and will show a "Chelaberd" carpet with Kazak arrow patterns. I think the dagger pommel shows 4 arrows meeting in the middle (rather than a deliberate cross, though as I say, cross insignia are common on silk road and regional textiles/rugs depicting lighted candles as a welcome sign ) and flanked by what I see as the 33 marks. The figure 5 marks on the hilt are classic designs in the region. I would say from the Kazak area roughly running from Astrakan south down the western side of the Caspian ~ thereabouts. Rug picture will follow tomorrow.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams ~Arrow pattern~ In fact it is likely that the sunburst pattern migrated from Persia to the Kazak region in about the 17thC, however, it illustrates my point. Whether or not there is a relationship to the dagger design is another matter but I throw this in for interest..
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[chregu]

hello together
many thanks for this interesting clues.
nice sunday wants Chregu