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B.I · 29th August 2005, 06:30 PM

hi mark,
whilst oldman was knowledgable in his own right, and privy to information about his pieces (having bought them indirectly from source), his descriptions were basic and of the 1900s (in the dha page - 1906). knowledge, obviously, has progressed since.
all the dha are classified as burmese on that page, with the following page classified as siamese (it has one dha and other items inc a war coat - i believe you have this image).
as its a catalogue, i'm sure there was more information that wasnt included in his short descriptions.
shame, eh!

B.I · 29th August 2005, 06:38 PM

mark,
the page refering to the dha.

Jens Nordlunde · 29th August 2005, 07:15 PM

Nice stuff, thank's for showing. I am quite shure I could have gotten rather pennyless after having shopped by Mr. Oldman, at to days prices.

Jens

Andrew · 29th August 2005, 07:15 PM

I'm pleased to advise that I own dha #8 under "Burmah". I obtained it from a friend on this forum, who had Philip Tom polish it. It's got a pattern-welded/forge-folded blade of remarkable quality. Very light, spring-tempered and differentially hardened with a prominent "hamon" affect, likely from an inserted edge.

It's one of my prized possessions.

Mark · 29th August 2005, 07:31 PM

Thanks for the additional information. It is not unlikely that all of these swords (not considering the ones in the picture of the shop itself) were collected in Burma, since the Shan items likely come from the Shan States in Eastern Burma. The odd man out is #1, which I am pretty sure is a Lanna style, which would make it from the region further east, around Chiang Mai or Luang Prabang. However, given the constant warfare between Burma and Thailand, it is not unreasonable to assume this one made its way into Burma as a spoil of war. #11 I see has an ivory handle, so it is very like the one on my web site. An #13 is a sword stick, huh? I have no data on those. Perhaps a travellor's or merchant's weapon? Or one made for a European? Its a pretty nifty piece, though.

I see from the descriptions page that there are also pieces from Siam in the catalogue. Any chance of getting a look at those?

B.I · 29th August 2005, 08:15 PM

hi mark,
i've attached the next page, but i believe you already have this (you posted it elsewhere on this forum).

andrew, very nice. i think that many pieces from these catalogues must appear now and then. i know i am patiently waiting for a couple of particular items, which i hope will appear on the market one day in my lifetime. however, they may be permanantly locked into a private collection but can hope...

erlikhan · 29th August 2005, 08:27 PM

Is that a complete intact Turkish horse head armor among 16th century breast & shoulder plates?? Worths too much today! Do you know from which year these pictures are?
regards

B.I · 29th August 2005, 08:42 PM

it is a turkish chanfron, complete with side pieces. the sections of mail are from a turkish horse armour as well. it is very nice and, as you say, very rare.
the catalogues stopped being dated after 1908, but from the catalogue number, i would assume the date to be 1910.

Mark · 29th August 2005, 08:59 PM

You are indeed correct, I do have that page & its description. And speaking of owning swords from the catalogue, I would love to track down the one on that second page. Its unusual and looks lovely, I think. Its difficult to say what region/era it is from in Thailand.

29th August 2005, 06:38 PM	#2
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	mark, the page refering to the dha. Attached Images

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Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I'm pleased to advise that I own dha #8 under "Burmah". I obtained it from a friend on this forum, who had Philip Tom polish it. It's got a pattern-welded/forge-folded blade of remarkable quality. Very light, spring-tempered and differentially hardened with a prominent "hamon" affect, likely from an inserted edge. It's one of my prized possessions. Last edited by Andrew; 29th August 2005 at 11:14 PM.

29th August 2005, 08:15 PM	#6
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi mark, i've attached the next page, but i believe you already have this (you posted it elsewhere on this forum). andrew, very nice. i think that many pieces from these catalogues must appear now and then. i know i am patiently waiting for a couple of particular items, which i hope will appear on the market one day in my lifetime. however, they may be permanantly locked into a private collection but can hope... Attached Images

29th August 2005, 08:27 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Is that a complete intact Turkish horse head armor among 16th century breast & shoulder plates?? Worths too much today! Do you know from which year these pictures are? regards Last edited by erlikhan; 29th August 2005 at 08:47 PM.

29th August 2005, 06:30 PM	#1
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi mark, whilst oldman was knowledgable in his own right, and privy to information about his pieces (having bought them indirectly from source), his descriptions were basic and of the 1900s (in the dha page - 1906). knowledge, obviously, has progressed since. all the dha are classified as burmese on that page, with the following page classified as siamese (it has one dha and other items inc a war coat - i believe you have this image). as its a catalogue, i'm sure there was more information that wasnt included in his short descriptions. shame, eh!

29th August 2005, 07:15 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Nice stuff, thank's for showing. I am quite shure I could have gotten rather pennyless after having shopped by Mr. Oldman, at to days prices. Jens

29th August 2005, 07:31 PM	#5
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Thanks for the additional information. It is not unlikely that all of these swords (not considering the ones in the picture of the shop itself) were collected in Burma, since the Shan items likely come from the Shan States in Eastern Burma. The odd man out is #1, which I am pretty sure is a Lanna style, which would make it from the region further east, around Chiang Mai or Luang Prabang. However, given the constant warfare between Burma and Thailand, it is not unreasonable to assume this one made its way into Burma as a spoil of war. #11 I see has an ivory handle, so it is very like the one on my web site. An #13 is a sword stick, huh? I have no data on those. Perhaps a travellor's or merchant's weapon? Or one made for a European? Its a pretty nifty piece, though. I see from the descriptions page that there are also pieces from Siam in the catalogue. Any chance of getting a look at those?

29th August 2005, 08:42 PM	#8
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	it is a turkish chanfron, complete with side pieces. the sections of mail are from a turkish horse armour as well. it is very nice and, as you say, very rare. the catalogues stopped being dated after 1908, but from the catalogue number, i would assume the date to be 1910.

29th August 2005, 08:59 PM	#9
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	You are indeed correct, I do have that page & its description. And speaking of owning swords from the catalogue, I would love to track down the one on that second page. Its unusual and looks lovely, I think. Its difficult to say what region/era it is from in Thailand.