please help with tool vs weapon edge pics and men's womens knives

josh stout · 19th April 2012, 03:21 PM

OK, here are two objects with a 52mm lens cap for scale. The one on the right is a typical hand axe on the larger end of the normal range. The smaller object is the one with a handle and a single acute bevel. (edit: these photos were too big and have been resized in the following post.) They were found at the same site, and appear to be from the same culture. The tool is quite obvious in possible uses, but the hand axe, while versatile, does not have an obvious application, yet is a form that shows much less variation than the tools. Tool like objects vary much more than what is seen in the hand axes.

The other pictures show the tool with the original natural patterns in the rock cortex that may have been chosen by the maker with an aesthetic of some sort and a medium sized hand axe from the same site.

Homo erectus did not have any cloth or rope that we know of, and did not put hafts on the lithics. The Neolithic objects shown in the last post would all be recognizable as knife like objects to pretty much anyone in the last 40,000 years. Why don't we recognize the hand axes so easily?
Josh

josh stout · 19th April 2012, 03:27 PM

Here are resized versions of the picture I was talking about.

Josh

VANDOO · 19th April 2012, 10:57 PM

THE DIET OF HOMO ERECTIS WOULD HELP CLARIFY USE. IF HE ATE PRIMARLY PLANTS, ROOTS, GRUBS, TERMITES ECT WE COULD SEE THIS TOOL USED TO SCRAPE OFF STRIPS OF BARK, CRACK NUTS, POKE A HOLE IN A TERMITE MOUND OR CHOP INTO A ROTTEN LOG LOOKING FOR GRUBS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED TO SHAPE A DIGGING STICK OR OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
THE CLOSEST WE CAN COME TO THIS IN HISTORICAL TIMES WOULD BE SOME TRIBES OF AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS. THEY HUNTED AS WELL AS FORAGED FOR FOOD I SUSPECT THESE HAND AX APPLIED MORE TO THE FORAGING TYPE OF LIFESTYLE.
AS TO NOT HAVING CORD OR ROPE WE CAN'T BE SURE AS NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE SURVIVED. ABUNDENT FIBERS DO OCCUR IN NATURE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED AS THEY WERE. TREE BARK, FIBEROUS GRASS, ANIMAL HIDES, PALM AND PANDANUS FIBERS AND LEAVES ECT.
WE CAN REST ASSURED THIS SHAPE WAS DESIGNED BY THE MAKERS AND HAD SPECIFIC USES AS THEY WIDELY REPEATED THE FORM. THEY MAY HAVE EVEN USED IT TO FASHON WOODEN WEAPONS, CLUBS THROWING STICKS ECT BUT THESE WOULD HAVE LEFT NO TRACES EITHER.
WE CAN ONLY GUESS AT HOW INTELLEGENT PRIMATIVE MAN WAS OR HOW ADVANCED HE WAS. WE CAN ONLY GUESS AT HOW INTELLEGENT MANY LIVING SPECIES ARE AND WE HAVE THEM TO STUDY SO THOSE IN THE FAR PAST WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNKNOWN.
ARCHEOLOGY IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE SO MUCH MATERIAL IS GONE AND CANNOT BE FOUND AND MANY OF THE THINGS FOUND CAN BE MISINTERPETED OR BRING UP MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. BUT MUCH HAS BEEN LEARNED ITS SORT OF LIKE A CONNECT THE DOTS PICTURE TOO COMPLICATED TO TELL WHAT IT IS UNTIL ENOUGH DOTS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED.

josh stout · 20th April 2012, 03:05 AM

The consensus is that H. erectus was a scavenger, and that his big brain was made possible by his and his immediate ancestor H. habilis ability to use stone tools to scavenge kills. H. habilis "the handyman" was the first to make stone tools, and it is thought that the tools were specifically made to crack big bones for the marrow. The Oldawan technology developed by H. habilis, of rounded pebbles and cobbles with a single sharp chipped edge, lasted for a few hundred thousand years

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pi...iopie_fond.jpg)

and was inherited by H. erectus who took it out of Africa. The Acheulian hand axe replaced this technology about a million years ago. The hand axe largely replaced Oldawan technology until it hit Asia. In Asia for an unknown reason the Oldawan survived. Some people think it was the bamboo.
Josh

19th April 2012, 03:21 PM	#1
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	OK, here are two objects with a 52mm lens cap for scale. The one on the right is a typical hand axe on the larger end of the normal range. The smaller object is the one with a handle and a single acute bevel. (edit: these photos were too big and have been resized in the following post.) They were found at the same site, and appear to be from the same culture. The tool is quite obvious in possible uses, but the hand axe, while versatile, does not have an obvious application, yet is a form that shows much less variation than the tools. Tool like objects vary much more than what is seen in the hand axes. The other pictures show the tool with the original natural patterns in the rock cortex that may have been chosen by the maker with an aesthetic of some sort and a medium sized hand axe from the same site. Homo erectus did not have any cloth or rope that we know of, and did not put hafts on the lithics. The Neolithic objects shown in the last post would all be recognizable as knife like objects to pretty much anyone in the last 40,000 years. Why don't we recognize the hand axes so easily? Josh Attached Images

19th April 2012, 03:27 PM	#2
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Here are resized versions of the picture I was talking about. Josh Attached Images

19th April 2012, 10:57 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE DIET OF HOMO ERECTIS WOULD HELP CLARIFY USE. IF HE ATE PRIMARLY PLANTS, ROOTS, GRUBS, TERMITES ECT WE COULD SEE THIS TOOL USED TO SCRAPE OFF STRIPS OF BARK, CRACK NUTS, POKE A HOLE IN A TERMITE MOUND OR CHOP INTO A ROTTEN LOG LOOKING FOR GRUBS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED TO SHAPE A DIGGING STICK OR OTHER THINGS AS WELL. THE CLOSEST WE CAN COME TO THIS IN HISTORICAL TIMES WOULD BE SOME TRIBES OF AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS. THEY HUNTED AS WELL AS FORAGED FOR FOOD I SUSPECT THESE HAND AX APPLIED MORE TO THE FORAGING TYPE OF LIFESTYLE. AS TO NOT HAVING CORD OR ROPE WE CAN'T BE SURE AS NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE SURVIVED. ABUNDENT FIBERS DO OCCUR IN NATURE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED AS THEY WERE. TREE BARK, FIBEROUS GRASS, ANIMAL HIDES, PALM AND PANDANUS FIBERS AND LEAVES ECT. WE CAN REST ASSURED THIS SHAPE WAS DESIGNED BY THE MAKERS AND HAD SPECIFIC USES AS THEY WIDELY REPEATED THE FORM. THEY MAY HAVE EVEN USED IT TO FASHON WOODEN WEAPONS, CLUBS THROWING STICKS ECT BUT THESE WOULD HAVE LEFT NO TRACES EITHER. WE CAN ONLY GUESS AT HOW INTELLEGENT PRIMATIVE MAN WAS OR HOW ADVANCED HE WAS. WE CAN ONLY GUESS AT HOW INTELLEGENT MANY LIVING SPECIES ARE AND WE HAVE THEM TO STUDY SO THOSE IN THE FAR PAST WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNKNOWN. ARCHEOLOGY IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE SO MUCH MATERIAL IS GONE AND CANNOT BE FOUND AND MANY OF THE THINGS FOUND CAN BE MISINTERPETED OR BRING UP MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. BUT MUCH HAS BEEN LEARNED ITS SORT OF LIKE A CONNECT THE DOTS PICTURE TOO COMPLICATED TO TELL WHAT IT IS UNTIL ENOUGH DOTS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED.

20th April 2012, 03:05 AM	#4
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	The consensus is that H. erectus was a scavenger, and that his big brain was made possible by his and his immediate ancestor H. habilis ability to use stone tools to scavenge kills. H. habilis "the handyman" was the first to make stone tools, and it is thought that the tools were specifically made to crack big bones for the marrow. The Oldawan technology developed by H. habilis, of rounded pebbles and cobbles with a single sharp chipped edge, lasted for a few hundred thousand years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pi...iopie_fond.jpg) and was inherited by H. erectus who took it out of Africa. The Acheulian hand axe replaced this technology about a million years ago. The hand axe largely replaced Oldawan technology until it hit Asia. In Asia for an unknown reason the Oldawan survived. Some people think it was the bamboo. Josh