Two kris

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi Sajen,
nicely picked up!! I think the corrosion is just lying on top of the metal. Dont think you have to woory about that. On the contrary the metal bands on the second kris on the grip will give you (us too? )a nice surpise! Possibly a silver alloy (hopefully).
The scabbards will also be restored? Ai that will be a more serious 'job'.
Also; seen the two iron nailstubs on top of the second kris grip there may have been a rounded (ivory??) top attached originally.
Whats the age of these; around 1900? slightly after?

Congrats!

Thank you Wouter,

think that the metal bands from the second kris are from silver or silver plated, when Jose received it he will tell us. Have as well recognized the two nail pins on the top of the handle, don't know what have been there.

The sheaths will be maybe a later project, not for the moment.

About the age I am unsure, the soldier bring them with after the Spanish American War which was 1898, so they are from end of the 19th century when this story is true.

Regards,

Detlef

[Indianajones]

Also; did you see the strange square hole in the scabbard of the 2nd kris!?!?
Wonder why that is there? It seems to have patine in the inneredges. (I am not an expert on these Southern krisses)

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Also; did you see the strange square hole in the scabbard of the 2nd kris!?!?
Wonder why that is there? It seems to have patine in the inneredges. (I am not an expert on these Southern krisses)

..... hole for belt-clasp/hanger insert.

BTW ..... Both items appear to be of last quarter of 19thC manufacture.

Best,

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

..... hole for belt-clasp/hanger insert.
Best,

Good possible!

Regards,

Detlef

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

Both kris look like turn-of-century examples to me. The first blade also looks a bit Maranao-ish to me...

I don't think the excision was meant for a hanger block - these tend to be rare and situated at the center of the scabbard (only needed for the crosspiece-less Maguindanao scabbards anyway). Could you please try to get a close-up of this?

Regards,
Kai

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Detlef,

Both kris look like turn-of-century examples to me. The first blade also looks a bit Maranao-ish to me...

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

the attribution was from Jose by pm. But since both kris come from the same source... Could it maybe a trade blade? Or a cross cultural piece?

Regards,

Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by kai

Could you please try to get a close-up of this?

Can't, both kris was send to Jose who received them today!

[Battara]

Originally Posted by kai

Both kris look like turn-of-century examples to me. The first blade also looks a bit Maranao-ish to me...

The first one says Maguindanao to me and the second says Maranao. They would be very similar in style since they are next door neighbors.

[Sajen]

The seller send me today the name from the soldier who bring with this bot kris: James Hart from Pennsylvania. Is it possible to find this name in some list from the Spanish American War? Where I have to search?

Regards,

Detlef