An Interesting 15th C. Nuremberg Mail Shirt Fragment With Mark

cornelistromp · 7th April 2012, 05:14 PM

yes, I also think the mail fragment and brass tag are are probably not belonging together.
Gives this enough reason to declear the tag a fake?
The mail fragment could have been attached later by somebody, a collector or somebody else, as decoration for the tag.
it is a not a whole shirt what is attached, then it would have been a wrong composition!

In any case the party who is offering it now removed the fragment, he probably thought the same.

How were these marks attached to the mail, as part of the mail with a riveted ring or sometimes also with separate brass rings ? I think I have seen both.

That the cast plate has been punched by hand, that I see as a more positive characteristic.
a 2 cm mark is probably too large to struck with a stamp.
Moreover, most of the brass mail rings are also cast and then afterwards punched, the same technique has been used here.
Further you also see some old traces of wear near the holes, it looks that the plate has been attached before.

I can not say for sure whether it is real but clearly a fake it is certainly not.

best,

7th April 2012, 05:14 PM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	yes, I also think the mail fragment and brass tag are are probably not belonging together. Gives this enough reason to declear the tag a fake? The mail fragment could have been attached later by somebody, a collector or somebody else, as decoration for the tag. it is a not a whole shirt what is attached, then it would have been a wrong composition! In any case the party who is offering it now removed the fragment, he probably thought the same. How were these marks attached to the mail, as part of the mail with a riveted ring or sometimes also with separate brass rings ? I think I have seen both. That the cast plate has been punched by hand, that I see as a more positive characteristic. a 2 cm mark is probably too large to struck with a stamp. Moreover, most of the brass mail rings are also cast and then afterwards punched, the same technique has been used here. Further you also see some old traces of wear near the holes, it looks that the plate has been attached before. I can not say for sure whether it is real but clearly a fake it is certainly not. best,