Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

Matchlock · 24th March 2012, 04:39 PM

Exactly!

I used to have this in my archives but somehow could not find it.

Best,
Michl

Matchlock · 24th March 2012, 05:16 PM

From the so-called Codex Amberger, a compilation of early- to mid-16th century German illuminated manuscripts which is now in the private colection of Christoph Amberger, USA.
The first illustration attached can - based on the shape of the costumes - be dated to ca. 1560, a period when the heday of the Landsknechte had already become a piece of history.
The second illustration seems to be from the 1520's-30's.

http://fencingclassics.wordpress.com/

Best,
m

Matchlock · 24th March 2012, 05:37 PM

A Landsknecht with his Katzbalger, beginning of the 16th century, the quillons showing the earliest form of the 'pretzel' which is not fully developed yet.

From the Herscheider Altar in Burg Altena.

m

Matchlock · 24th March 2012, 06:36 PM

A documentation of typical 19th-20th century Katzbalger copies similar to one posted here is available!

I do not wish to post them here so anybody interested please pm me and you will receive that documentation, including close-ups and current market prices!

Best,
m

Matchlock · 3rd April 2012, 06:15 PM

Swiss Landsknechts and Doppelsöldners showing katzbalgers, daggers and halberds, and a matchlock arquebus being loaded.

All from MC Ms. 13, Kantonsbibl. Appenzell, Johann von Schwarzenberg, ca. 1530-40,
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/thumbs3x4/cea/0013

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 6th April 2012, 09:58 PM

Two latest Landsknecht period rapiers, 1540's-50's - and actual earliest type rapiers - , photographed by the author in the military museum of Pague, located on the famous Hradschin, in 1997 - when earliest items where still on display there ...

I must say that when trying to access their obvious newly set-up dislay after some seven years of being closed to the publlic these days, I was totally shocked to be confronted with what seeems to be their topic presentation...

Where on earth has the beautiful old stuff gone?!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 14th April 2012, 08:11 PM

The painting The Herrenberg Altar by Jörg Ratgeb is now in the Staatsgalerie Stuttgart.
Ratgeb definitely knew what he depicted; as a consequence of his taking part in a campaign during the Peasant Wars, he got torn apart by four horses in 1526.

The lower of the swords clearly shows a stylistic influence by the Swiss types of swords and daggers (Schweizerdegen), reminding us of the fact that Ratgeb lived not far from the Swiss border.

m

24th March 2012, 05:16 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Landsknecht Two-Hand Swords in Combat From the so-called Codex Amberger, a compilation of early- to mid-16th century German illuminated manuscripts which is now in the private colection of Christoph Amberger, USA. The first illustration attached can - based on the shape of the costumes - be dated to ca. 1560, a period when the heday of the Landsknechte had already become a piece of history. The second illustration seems to be from the 1520's-30's. http://fencingclassics.wordpress.com/ Best, m Attached Images

24th March 2012, 05:37 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Landsknecht with his Katzbalger, beginning of the 16th century, the quillons showing the earliest form of the 'pretzel' which is not fully developed yet. From the Herscheider Altar in Burg Altena. m Attached Images

24th March 2012, 06:36 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Katzbalger Copies! A documentation of typical 19th-20th century Katzbalger copies similar to one posted here is available! I do not wish to post them here so anybody interested please pm me and you will receive that documentation, including close-ups and current market prices! Best, m

3rd April 2012, 06:15 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Swiss Landsknechts and Doppelsöldners showing katzbalgers, daggers and halberds, and a matchlock arquebus being loaded. All from MC Ms. 13, Kantonsbibl. Appenzell, Johann von Schwarzenberg, ca. 1530-40, http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/thumbs3x4/cea/0013 Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 3rd April 2012 at 06:53 PM.

6th April 2012, 09:58 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two latest Landsknecht period rapiers, 1540's-50's - and actual earliest type rapiers - , photographed by the author in the military museum of Pague, located on the famous Hradschin, in 1997 - when earliest items where still on display there ... I must say that when trying to access their obvious newly set-up dislay after some seven years of being closed to the publlic these days, I was totally shocked to be confronted with what seeems to be their topic presentation... Where on earth has the beautiful old stuff gone?! Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 6th April 2012 at 11:14 PM.

24th March 2012, 04:39 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly! I used to have this in my archives but somehow could not find it. Best, Michl

14th April 2012, 08:11 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two Early-16th c. Landsknecht Swords, in a Painting of 1518-9 The painting The Herrenberg Altar by Jörg Ratgeb is now in the Staatsgalerie Stuttgart. Ratgeb definitely knew what he depicted; as a consequence of his taking part in a campaign during the Peasant Wars, he got torn apart by four horses in 1526. The lower of the swords clearly shows a stylistic influence by the Swiss types of swords and daggers (Schweizerdegen), reminding us of the fact that Ratgeb lived not far from the Swiss border. m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 14th April 2012 at 09:49 PM.