Two handed swords

Matchlock · 21st March 2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

No real distraction; not so distant from the thread topic. Besides,Takouba blades do have a nostalgic European flavour

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They definitely do, just like the stocks of Turkish matchlock and miquelet guns, as well as those of Indian matchlock guns (and the mechanisms of the latter) carry on the early 16th c. North European tradition!

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cornelistromp · 22nd March 2012, 10:08 AM

re; Katzbalger
Unfortunately it is not possible, merely on the basis of the pictures to determine the authenticity.
The blade of flat lenticular section without a ricasso came one more katbalgers.
A one-piece iron grip I have not seen before, but this does not mean it has never existed.
The simple chisseled spirally fluting at the s-guard looks looks unusual so do the flat terminals, but again this means nothing.

The damage to the edge at the point is in my point of view not the result of fighting but is added later! At the tip, there are several notches applied at the same angle and force, it looks simulated!
I agree with Michaels comments on the marks orb and passau wolf.
( maybe not African but it does not look authentic/European)

all this does not mean that the sword is not the real thing , but when in doubt I would always have it examined.

re: 2hand sword
it is clear it never had the fleur de lys inside the guard.

best,

Jean-Marc S. · 22nd March 2012, 12:57 PM

Hello all,

Thanks for the posts. For information, here are the comments of Mr. Juan J. Perez (moderator at Sword Forum International forum) on the katzbalger blade markings:

'Nice sword indeed. From the distance it looks good to me, although in such pieces one should be very cautious regarding authenticity.

The markings are quite typical from the Renaissance and the Germanic area. Moons are easily found on German blades up to the 18th century, while orbs are a medieval theme often found in the next centuries.'

I have some clues that clearly show that these exact 'three crescent moon motifs' and three 'orb and cross' motifs are indeed German of the 16th century period. Have to find once more this information on the web and will post them in the forum

jm

Jean-Marc S. · 22nd March 2012, 06:04 PM

Hello,

Here is a katzbalger that was sold by Hermann Historica (found it on the web). It appears to be similar to the one I bought from Bolk antiques, including at the level of blade and hilt.

jm

22nd March 2012, 10:08 AM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	re; Katzbalger Unfortunately it is not possible, merely on the basis of the pictures to determine the authenticity. The blade of flat lenticular section without a ricasso came one more katbalgers. A one-piece iron grip I have not seen before, but this does not mean it has never existed. The simple chisseled spirally fluting at the s-guard looks looks unusual so do the flat terminals, but again this means nothing. The damage to the edge at the point is in my point of view not the result of fighting but is added later! At the tip, there are several notches applied at the same angle and force, it looks simulated! I agree with Michaels comments on the marks orb and passau wolf. ( maybe not African but it does not look authentic/European) all this does not mean that the sword is not the real thing , but when in doubt I would always have it examined. re: 2hand sword it is clear it never had the fleur de lys inside the guard. best, Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 22nd March 2012 at 10:20 AM.

22nd March 2012, 12:57 PM	#3
Jean-Marc S. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 104	Motifs on katzbalger blade are actually German 16th century Hello all, Thanks for the posts. For information, here are the comments of Mr. Juan J. Perez (moderator at Sword Forum International forum) on the katzbalger blade markings: 'Nice sword indeed. From the distance it looks good to me, although in such pieces one should be very cautious regarding authenticity. The markings are quite typical from the Renaissance and the Germanic area. Moons are easily found on German blades up to the 18th century, while orbs are a medieval theme often found in the next centuries.' I have some clues that clearly show that these exact 'three crescent moon motifs' and three 'orb and cross' motifs are indeed German of the 16th century period. Have to find once more this information on the web and will post them in the forum jm

22nd March 2012, 06:04 PM	#4
Jean-Marc S. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 104	Katzbalger previously sold by Hermann Historica (similar blade) Hello, Here is a katzbalger that was sold by Hermann Historica (found it on the web). It appears to be similar to the one I bought from Bolk antiques, including at the level of blade and hilt. jm Attached Images