Hilt ID

paolo · 14th March 2012, 07:12 PM

Thank You David, very interesting thread. I'm really pragmatic; I wish catalogue all.... but i see that for Archipelago hilts, kerises and weapons is quite difficult.
I don't think to have a great hilt, but I got it for the clear horn ( it seems to me quite peculiar) and for the form it had ( IMO dued to extended use ).
I don't know why but I vote Sumatra
Paolo

paolo · 14th March 2012, 07:27 PM

Bad light, the pics are the best i could do.
Paolo

Sajen · 14th March 2012, 08:13 PM

Hi Paolo,

my "feeling" says also Sumatra but there are some other possibilitys like Cirebon or Sumbawa.

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

Regards,

Detlef

paolo · 14th March 2012, 10:58 PM

Thank You Detlef

David · 14th March 2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

I am also enjoying it quite a bit.

asomotif · 15th March 2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy!

So that is why they sometimes call it "green buffalo horn".

Very attractive hilt in an unusual material.
I am not that educated in style forms and origins etc.
But as for the wear of the hilt. I dont think the face was worn down to this smooth surface. the details on the top and back are in prestine sharp condition.
I rather have the feeling that the face is not yet finished for some reason.
Somebody started to carve the eyes and maybe realised that he would not have sufficient material to carve the image he had in mind

Best regards,
Willem

David · 15th March 2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

But as for the wear of the hilt. I dont think the face was worn down to this smooth surface. the details on the top and back are in prestine sharp condition.

I agree. Given how this handle would be held, wear should be along the spine of the figure...

Rick · 15th March 2012, 01:24 AM

If I might offer an idea; possibly there were inserts where the eyes are .

Amuk Murugul · 15th March 2012, 05:10 AM

Hullo everybody

I tend to support Rick's suggestion. I'd even go so far as to suggest that the inserted 'eyes' were 'sparklers'. Has anyone considered that this figure is a representation of a female?

There are those who believe that buffalo horn tends to turn 'brownish'/caramel-coloured with age (after about 100 yrs). This colour tends to turn 'whitish'/'milky' with further aging.

Best,

14th March 2012, 07:27 PM	#2
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Bad light, the pics are the best i could do. Paolo Attached Images

14th March 2012, 07:12 PM	#1
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You David, very interesting thread. I'm really pragmatic; I wish catalogue all.... but i see that for Archipelago hilts, kerises and weapons is quite difficult. I don't think to have a great hilt, but I got it for the clear horn ( it seems to me quite peculiar) and for the form it had ( IMO dued to extended use ). I don't know why but I vote Sumatra Paolo

14th March 2012, 08:13 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hi Paolo, my "feeling" says also Sumatra but there are some other possibilitys like Cirebon or Sumbawa. Maybe not a "great hilt" but I am a little bit green with envy! Regards, Detlef

14th March 2012, 10:58 PM	#4
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You Detlef

15th March 2012, 01:24 AM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	If I might offer an idea; possibly there were inserts where the eyes are .

15th March 2012, 05:10 AM	#9
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo everybody I tend to support Rick's suggestion. I'd even go so far as to suggest that the inserted 'eyes' were 'sparklers'. Has anyone considered that this figure is a representation of a female? There are those who believe that buffalo horn tends to turn 'brownish'/caramel-coloured with age (after about 100 yrs). This colour tends to turn 'whitish'/'milky' with further aging. Best,