unknown naski inscripted malchus blade?

[cornelistromp]

HI Ibrahiim al Balooshi,

Unfortunately I do not know where the sword has been found, but this blade has always intrigued me, inlaid with gold dots and strange naskhi script with a deep meaning.
The blade has been severly cleaned but there are still remnants of flint hard goethide. This layer of goethide proofs that it must have been a waterfound but also that it must be old, I think it is 14thC.

at another forum, sorry , somebody of Baghrain made out following;
Originally Posted by e.a.Zainal

Numbers are

2579 2572 2582
2581 2578 2576
2579 2583 2577

i think it's like a magical numbers that help the user for some think like a magic script

اللهم لاذة الله
عين سبيق ودت الله

Oh God that Take you to the God
An eye faster than Kindness of God

that what i understand from the Writing
but the Second line I'm not sour about it

it may my translatiuon is meaning defrint that what it mean becuse the Scipt Mening is very deep


The Falchion or Malchus, the rarest medieval sword is a beautiful thread, there is a illustration posted with apparently a similar dot inlay.

best,

[Jim McDougall]

Thanks very much Jasper for adding that information ! I was puzzled why the thread ended so abruptly if I recall correctly, but it was three years ago and I hadn't thought of it until I saw the great new 'malchus' thread.
Ibrahiim, that you so much for the excellent suggestions on these talismanic 'runes' which seem to be in accord with the 'beduh' type squares on many Islamic swords.

All best regards,
Jim

[A.alnakkas]

Imho, I think this is a south east asian item. The Arabic on it reminds me of an indonesian sword I translated for Gene a while ago..

nothing conclusive though

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

HI Ibrahiim al Balooshi,

Unfortunately I do not know where the sword has been found, but this blade has always intrigued me, inlaid with gold dots and strange naskhi script with a deep meaning.
The blade has been severly cleaned but there are still remnants of flint hard goethide. This layer of goethide proofs that it must have been a waterfound but also that it must be old, I think it is 14thC.

at another forum, sorry , somebody of Baghrain made out following;
Originally Posted by e.a.Zainal

Numbers are

2579 2572 2582
2581 2578 2576
2579 2583 2577

i think it's like a magical numbers that help the user for some think like a magic script

اللهم لاذة الله
عين سبيق ودت الله

Oh God that Take you to the God
An eye faster than Kindness of God

that what i understand from the Writing
but the Second line I'm not sour about it

it may my translatiuon is meaning defrint that what it mean becuse the Scipt Mening is very deep


The Falchion or Malchus, the rarest medieval sword is a beautiful thread, there is a illustration posted with apparently a similar dot inlay.

best,

Salaams Cornelistromp ~ great detail and thanks again ~ And regards Jim and Im sure this one will have the lights burning bright at your end far into the night... A brilliant conundrum ! I think the dots on the blade may be a strong indicator as to origin unless anyone has evidence of this style of decoration on far eastern blades...? I see the Malchus in this blade... For students of European blades the Falchion and Malchus have to be the most interesting start point on study leading through from the Medieaval to the modern era. What is astonishing is the quality of illuminated detail in manuscript form ... If this is a Malchus what is the detective work on the arabic inscriptions and as I dive into my library looking for Heraldic symbols et al it is a very interesting subject worthy of university study...I wish I had the resources as Professor Jim has.
I am endebted to corneilstromp for the exacting scientific detail and chemical analysis on the blade surface which is a totally new area to me. Thank you !

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

[broadaxe]

Sorry, it looks exactly like a mandau blade to me. I had the chance of holding dozens of them at Oriental-Arms. The golden dot work is typical and the scale pattern appears to be of severe thermic damage.

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

Sorry, it looks exactly like a mandau blade to me. I had the chance of holding dozens of them at Oriental-Arms. The golden dot work is typical and the scale pattern appears to be of severe thermic damage.

yes on behalf of the outline, my first impression was also directed towards the dayak head hunter swords.
also because some of them have inlays with larger dots or stars.(kalimantan)

of this track, I passed off, I mean
can you please post a picture of a Mandau like the blade under discussion, with a western type of ricasso and with double fullers?

best,

[broadaxe]

Well, since no two mandaus are exactly alike it is hard to find an exact twin. Off my field, I do not have access to a vast image bank of indonesian arms. It appears a double fullered mandau is quite a rarity and I understand this blade may look european. Double fuller mandau with lesser pronounced ricasso: http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2344

[cornelistromp]

I see what you mean, thanks for the link.
even though the differences are not so great at first glance, the differences in blade geometry are larger. This is truly oriental sword blade (south east asian) and the blade under discussion does look more western. (middle eastern)
Another very oriental looking Malchus was exhibited in the GNM in Nuremberg. it has been described as german 15thC.

I am not yet convinced but leave all options open, maybe there will be more clarity.

best,

[G. McCormack]

I'm sorry, but this is pretty clearly a SEA blade from the last 1-200 years. It is a very nice blade. But not early, not middle eastern.