Spanish Mountain Gun with presentation

Matchlock · 5th March 2012, 05:57 PM

Grat piece and documentation, John,

Thanks!

Best,
Michael

cannonmn · 20th March 2012, 04:08 PM

Fernando, indeed they are wrong about the "Portuguese" piece. Lacking the linguistic skills you have, when I began research on this last year I wanted to see what the Portuguese used for their mountain artillery, since to me that was the quickest way to prove or disprove things. Steven Smith, a very active participant in the Napoleon Series forum, found photos of the Portuguese mountain guns and they are completely different in form from the heavily-engraved Spanish howitzer. I've searched high and low and found no Portuguese piece that resembled this one even slightly.

fernando · 20th March 2012, 08:12 PM

Most of the Portuguese Artillery used in the Peninsular War, namely that of the Lisbon defense lines ( Linhas de Torres) has been totally built in the national arsenals, being several fire mouths (as we often call cannonry) cast still in the second half XVIII by Bartolomeu da Costa (the same one who cast the howitzer with the pompous Chinese bed) and Italian born Carlos Napion.
We are talking about 150 fortifications (redoubts), held by 27.000 men and 380 artillery pieces, namely 24, 12, 9 and 6 pounders and 5 ½” howitzers.
I wouldn’t know (right now) if campaign artillery had a different procedure in terms of provenance.
… But i can post this link where, besides the plant drawing of various Portuguese foundries and uniforms of gunners, you can see, as from page 72, a few Portuguese Campaign pieces: a 1 pounder light cannon attributed to Master Bartolomeu (1798), a 3 pounder from 1797, a 9 pounder from 1802 (on the wrong bed) and a 6” howitzer from 1778.

http://repositorio.uportu.pt/dspace/...e%20Anexos.pdf

5th March 2012, 05:57 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Grat piece and documentation, John, Thanks! Best, Michael

20th March 2012, 04:08 PM	#2
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Fernando, indeed they are wrong about the "Portuguese" piece. Lacking the linguistic skills you have, when I began research on this last year I wanted to see what the Portuguese used for their mountain artillery, since to me that was the quickest way to prove or disprove things. Steven Smith, a very active participant in the Napoleon Series forum, found photos of the Portuguese mountain guns and they are completely different in form from the heavily-engraved Spanish howitzer. I've searched high and low and found no Portuguese piece that resembled this one even slightly.

20th March 2012, 08:12 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Most of the Portuguese Artillery used in the Peninsular War, namely that of the Lisbon defense lines ( Linhas de Torres) has been totally built in the national arsenals, being several fire mouths (as we often call cannonry) cast still in the second half XVIII by Bartolomeu da Costa (the same one who cast the howitzer with the pompous Chinese bed) and Italian born Carlos Napion. We are talking about 150 fortifications (redoubts), held by 27.000 men and 380 artillery pieces, namely 24, 12, 9 and 6 pounders and 5 ½” howitzers. I wouldn’t know (right now) if campaign artillery had a different procedure in terms of provenance. … But i can post this link where, besides the plant drawing of various Portuguese foundries and uniforms of gunners, you can see, as from page 72, a few Portuguese Campaign pieces: a 1 pounder light cannon attributed to Master Bartolomeu (1798), a 3 pounder from 1797, a 9 pounder from 1802 (on the wrong bed) and a 6” howitzer from 1778. http://repositorio.uportu.pt/dspace/...e%20Anexos.pdf