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Old 28th February 2012, 06:02 PM   #1
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kalispera Eftihis,
now you have a point here,and you might be right,maybe a forgotten engraver artist from skodra or elbasan tried to copy the greek style female figure and came up with this ...
the examples in your pics especially the last one with the kariophili stock were very convincing.
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Old 22nd December 2024, 07:12 PM   #2
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Twelve years later, after it apparently changed hands, it ended up being sold like this, along with other gold-plated weapons.
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FYI: 1878 was the end of the war between Russia and Ottoman empire ending in the Treaty of San Stefano, followed by the Congress of Berlin, with an enormous impact on the Balkans : the creation of several nations, annexation of Bosnia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Berlin

and prelude to the Balkan wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars

and WWI


as for the decoration on the blade and grip/hilt of the long yataghan, this is not as refined and detailed as the Ottoman ones from the Balkans...see pics

yet the "simplicity" and floral decoration reminds me a little of 3 knives I have from Serbia, which were made just after the war between the Principality of Serbia and the Ottoman Empire. In conjunction with the Principality of Montenegro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...6%E2%80%931878) to see this you need to click on the link as shown in the last pic

The 3 knives have a steel blade but copper hilt and scabbard with nice but simple similar floral decoration, but the long yataghan as such I have never seen before....
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Old 23rd December 2024, 03:23 PM   #4
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the first 2 posts intriged me and caused many questions...
first the dagger , bichaq:

it looks similar like an old one ; a priest’s dagger from time of First Serbian Uprising (14 February 1804, to 7 October 1813) but sadly with a terrible modern(?) repair ( between the 2 red arrows)
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Old 23rd December 2024, 03:25 PM   #5
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as for the yataghan, I did find a similar kind of scabbard, ownd by a collector from Romania, with floral design but without the 1878 inscription, and yet a more traditional one...

very interesting but I have no answer about the age on the bichaq and yataghan of post 1 and 2...left with too many questions.
Does any of you know more?
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Old 23rd December 2024, 06:44 PM   #6
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Twelve years later, after it apparently changed hands, it ended up being sold like this, along with other gold-plated weapons.

I have seen yataghans being made now and sold on Turkish websites ( see enclosed pics) which do look very like the ones in post 1 and 2.
These new made ones are nothing like the real Ottoman, Balkan or Greek ones though...
Whether this is the case if they are new ones or real old ones looking at items on post # 1 and 2, I can't tell...
you need to hold the yataghan in your hand and be able to inspect it.
Hard to tell from a picture....
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