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Old 29th January 2012, 02:57 PM   #1
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Default Translation request Katar

Hi all, it's been a while...

A translation would be greath. If better pictures are needed let me know.
The katar is 41 cm long. Some remains of silver/gold decoration?
Is there something to say about the age?

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Old 30th January 2012, 03:03 AM   #2
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Hello,

Could you turn the pictures 180 degrees? The writing is Devanagari and it is upside down. The second character from the left in your pictures is the number 4. I can't transliterate the rest yet, working on it

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Old 30th January 2012, 03:55 AM   #3
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Hi,

It reads Ra Ki Sa 45.

Looks like an armory inventory number.

Could you turn the snap 180D that will help us get a better look.

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Old 30th January 2012, 08:02 AM   #4
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Hi,

Here it is, had no idee, thanks.

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Old 30th January 2012, 08:56 AM   #5
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Hi Congoblades,

The writing, or should I rather say the etching, is the armoury mark from Kishangarh.

The quality of there etchings is not made very nicely, I have only once seen it made nicely, on a tulwar I have. There it is made very precisely and deep.

That a weapon is marked in this way, does not mean that it is from Kishangarh, but on the other hand it could be. Another thing is, that there seems to be some doubt about, if all the weapons were marked, and if this is the case - why not? The time when there marking were made is also an open question. A lot of questions for hours of research .


Make a search for ‘Kishangarh’ on the forum, and you will get three threads about this kind of marking.
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Old 30th January 2012, 03:29 PM   #6
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Here is another Kishangarh marking on a well used Kard.

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Old 30th January 2012, 03:55 PM   #7
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Hi Steve,
It is interesting to see the inscription of your kard. To see these armoury markings stamped/chiselled into the blade is new to me, as the marking I have seen have been etched.
It has been done in a way, which to me is strange, as wax is applied, not nicely, just put onto the blade, what is around the letters and numbers removed, and the blade etched. It would have been easier/faster to write the letters and numbers into the wax, and then etch - to my opinion it would have looked nicer.
Does any other members have weapons marked with the Kishangarh armoury marking?
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Old 30th January 2012, 04:13 PM   #8
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Thanks a lot for the info,

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Old 31st January 2012, 05:09 AM   #9
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Hello,

Bhushan, I notice that on the kattar with the etched inscription the Ki has the long form "ee" after the "K" whereas the kard with the chiselled inscription has the short form "i" before the "K".

Any reason for this? Could it be due to poor literacy on the part of the scribe?

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Old 31st January 2012, 12:31 PM   #10
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Hi Steve,
I have had another look at the Kishangarh chiselled mark on your kard, and I must say it looks very crisp to me - is it very crisp?
If it is, it may have been made recently to make a quick imitation of the original etched Kishangarh mark. Like I said before, I have never seen these marks made in another way than etched.
That I have not seen these marks chiselled, does not mean that some weapons could not have had chiselled markings, but when at the same time, the marking is very crisp, something tells me, that this should be investigated further.
I have not seen the whole kard, but from what I have seen of the blade, I have no doubt it is old, but is the chiselling also old?
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Old 1st February 2012, 03:40 AM   #11
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Hi,

Sorry couldn't reply earlier. Have sparing access to the net...!!!

The "Ki" and "Kee" which is the short and long pronunciation was used alternatively with no difference against to the difference defined in modern day grammar.

Hope that clarifies..


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Hi Jens, I came about this knife in a lot with another knife and photo copies of two of Dr. Pants books. No mention was made acknowledging the marks. This is much like, the chicken and the egg. Jens, you may well be right, but, wouldn't Incised marks would be less likely to wear vs. the surface ?
The photos show pitting in the "3" looking symbol 2nd from the right it has some pitting in the chiseled area. Question is when did the minor pitting occur? Regards, Steve
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Old 2nd February 2012, 12:34 PM   #13
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Hi Steve,

Sorry, but I doubt that it is pitting in the ’3’, but as you have the kard in your hand, and I have a picture, although a very good one, to judge from, you have the benefit, and so I don’t think I can be of any more ‘help’. Thank you for showing the whole kard.

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