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29th January 2012, 05:30 PM
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29th January 2012, 05:49 PM
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Salaams Rick ~ My "seven stars" reference also points to the similarities ...and slight differences between Vietnamese, Japanese and Malay; (Bold letters are mine) I quote; "This article will focus on a curious type of matchlock seen by the author on his recent sojourn, a form which has until now been little known amongst Western collectors (Fig. 11). The barrels, generally octagonal and always smoothbore, vary greatly in length. Calibers range from .40 to about .50 in. They are mounted by means of narrow metal capucines into simple stocks with short, downward-curving butts, fashioned of very dense native hardwood and often provided with ivory or bone butt- and toeplates. From the shape of the butts, they are clearly intended to be rested against the cheek while firing. The locks are of iron, with minimal embellishment, and feature a forward falling serpentine released by a transverse sear and propelled by a single leaf mainspring (Fig. 12). Vietnamese antiquarians and collectors who were queried on their origin insist that they are typical of the Hue area. This might explain their radically different appearance and mechanical design to the rare Tonkin muskets mentioned above. However, the contention by some that they represent borrowed Japanese technology is questionable for several reasons: 1. Japanese Hinawa-ju, though superficially similar, have butts whose toe areas feature a chamfered contour. These Vietnamese guns have flat butts, which puts them in a class with some Malay guns. 2. Japanese barrels are almost always pin-fastened to the stock fore-ends, whereas the Vietnamese ones are attached with bands or capucines (as are Malay, Javanese, Burmese, and Chinese examples). However, it must be noted that the Vietnamese gunstocks do have a longitudinal saw-cut visible along the underside of the fore-end as is the case with Japanese (and Korean) muskets. 3. The mainspring on the Vietnamese lock is single-leaf, whereas Japanese locks have a V-shaped external’ or coiled internal spring. Also, all Vietnamese locks seen by the author are of iron, whereas brass was almost universally used in Japan. 4. The shape and mounting of the trigger-guard is akin to Malay, not-Japanese, prototypes. 5. The position of the trigger relative to the serpentine and buttplate is more akin to the proportions found on Malay and Javanese guns (closer to the serpentine than the Japanese). The snapping matchlock with forward-falling serpentine and transverse sear activated by a conventional trigger was introduced to various Southeast Asian and Far Eastern cultures in the first half of the 16th cent. by the Portuguese. It is in itself a product of the fusion of Indo-Portuguese technologies. It is interesting to note that these Vietnamese guns-retain the single leaf mainspring of the Lusitanian prototypes, whereas the versions produced later by the Chinese’ Japanese, and Koreans all utilized V-shaped springs". Unquote. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi |
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30th January 2012, 10:18 PM
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I saw a photograph of this type of gun being held by a native in an old photograph. I believe the caption said it was Ceylonese. Generally a culture southeast of India's eastern seaboard if not from that nation specifically.
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30th January 2012, 11:23 PM
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Salaams Ibrahiim, I am of no opinion regarding his long gun .
 I was simply providing some fodder for thought .  If Malay, or Sinhalese it is conservatively decorated compared to the other examples . |
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31st January 2012, 04:16 PM
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Salaams Rick ~ I agree. However I couldnt get to the answer as your references didn't quite finish the issue..What we have is a Portuguese system injected/adopted into the far eastern style and modified by different countries therein. Someone out there will be able to stick the tail on the donkey no doubt.  Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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31st January 2012, 05:35 PM
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matchlock musquet
Hi everybody
I just find many informations about similar gun http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofi...hp/t279471.htm So should be from vietnam Regards Cerjak |
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1st February 2012, 02:15 PM
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Salaams Cerjak ~ I thoroughly enjoyed going through the excellent reference and noted that the weapon is probably Dai Viet 18/19 C according to Thuong Luong at your reference. Though this is a broad and varied subject I believe you have solved the issue. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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