Dutch model cannons 1761

[fernando]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

... after a short discussion with my wife put by her outside the house

And you are surprised?
Well, i ignore the size of your house .
What a nice cannon ... with original chamber and everything

[cannonmn]

Thanks Jasper, neat stuff. I'm amazed at how the breech piece looks like new and there's so much wear on the gun itself. I've never seen a bronze breech piece in that newish condition, nor one that extensively marked!

Would you please give some details on the bottom photo in your response no. 13, the one with the large Dutch wreck-recovered cannon on the wheeled dolly? Was the gun marked, if so what marks, date, maker, owner, caliber, etc.?

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by cannonmn

Thanks Jasper, neat stuff. I'm amazed at how the breech piece looks like new and there's so much wear on the gun itself. I've never seen a bronze breech piece in that newish condition, nor one that extensively marked!

maybe it's the picture because the breech has the same patina as the cannon. On the last photo the top view without the carriage is easier to see.
Actually all the dutch breeches I know are extensively marked; a townmark, additional a VOC and town chamber or Admiralty and town chamber, often also a breech nr.
The condition depends on what influences it is exposed, here are archaeological laws valid.
please see pictures of the Henk Visser breech loader cannon, it looks like new and unused.

Originally Posted by cannonmn

Would you please give some details on the bottom photo in your response no. 13, the one with the large Dutch wreck-recovered cannon on the wheeled dolly? Was the gun marked, if so what marks, date, maker, owner, caliber, etc.?

Of course; Herewith an article made by Arent Vos for RACM.

for this size cannon a 3 ft. prototype can be made.

On 12 september MACHU partner RWS (Ministry of Transport, Public Works and Water Management) found a 17th century canon, in the Euro Maasroute to Rotterdam. Because there was no sign of a wreck nearby RWS decided to rescue the canon and taken it ashore. It has been handed over to the RACM where it was been examined at the RACM maritime complex in Lelystad by maritime archaeologist Arent Vos.

The canon measures 3 m. and 19,5 cm (2101 kg, 24 pounder). The canon was made in 1631 by Cornelis Ouderogge for the Admiralty of Rotterdam. The canon was in use on the ‘Aemilia‘ the flagship of Admiral Tromp. After 1654 it was in use on the ‘Eendracht’ the flagship of admiral Van Wassenaar-Obdam. In the Second Anglo-Dutch War during the battle of Lowestoft (13-06-1665) the Eendracht, then armed with 73 guns, duelled the heavier 80-gun English flagship Royal Charles. In the afternoon Eendracht was hit in the powder room and exploded, killing Van Obdam. There were only five survivors out of 409.

The cannon was found without a trace of wreck. However in recent years a few kilometers from the cannon, a wreck has been spotted (depth ca. 38 m.) and several objects were found in these waters that can be linked to the famous Dutch flagship de Eendracht, including a more or less indentical canon. Parts of the construction and the rigging of this ship have been seen and even filmed. The wreck is lying in a bussy ship route and anchorage area of shore. It has not been investigated properly yet.

best,

[cornelistromp]

this is a beautiful model cannon by ciprianus crans on a later carriage, unfortunately I have only one of the two. and a smaller pair of 38cm made by the son of ciprianus, cornelis in den Haag.

ME FECIT CIRPIANUS IANZ. CRANS AMSTELODAMI AD 1745

ME FECIT CORNELIS CRANS A HAGUE AD 1750