'military' KUKRI for comment

[sirupate]

It is pretty clever, but it would be nice if Jonathan could oblige with a copy of the text though

[Gavin Nugent]

I say spend the money, 150quid is nix in the bigger picture. I certainly spend more money that I care to think about on book titles found within these pages and others...I actually don't think I am far off obtaining almost every titile mentioned here, the books are worth than any weapon could be in my opinion. If one is serious about learning, this is what has to be done, sometimes you just can't sit and wait for free handouts.

Gav

[thinreadline]

How right you are Gav .. the number of collectors I know who are too mean to buy a £30 reference book .. but will waste £100 on an item that is wrong !

Originally Posted by freebooter

I say spend the money, 150quid is nix in the bigger picture. I certainly spend more money that I care to think about on book titles found within these pages and others...I actually don't think I am far off obtaining almost every titile mentioned here, the books are worth than any weapon could be in my opinion. If one is serious about learning, this is what has to be done, sometimes you just can't sit and wait for free handouts.

Gav

[sirupate]

Gentleman, I never said I didn't have it, I have queried Spirals quotes here;
Misleading and misquotes from Spiral

[spiral]

Originally Posted by sirupate

Gentleman, I never said I didn't have it, I have queried Spirals quotes here;
Misleading and misquotes from Spiral

No you didnt, but its still interesting that on your lets try & malign Jonathan some more thread, you state.

Originally Posted by sirupate

This is the actual written piece in the book by Huxford, and confirms what I thought, that the REGIMENT dealt with kukri, although not quite the way I thought with the 8th.

That sounds like a rather recent learning curve to me. Perhaps a contradiction to your above statement? & What was all that pleading about it bieng an expesive book & wanting me to scan it for you?

All deliberatly malicious & missleading whichever way you look at it, actualy I am surprised the managment tolerate such behavoir.


spiral


p.s.
My repley to the the false & malicious allegation by simon Hengly of Tora kukris can also be found on the linked thread.

[spiral]

From the above linked thread.

Originally Posted by David

Well, i'm shutting down this thread until one of the other mods for this forum can sort out this childish behavior. Really gents...we can do better than this...

I agree David, Sadley I felt I have to defend myself against such malicios allegations though. After all this has been going on here & other forums ever since I left Simons personal forum several years ago.

Thank you for your time.

Jonathan AKA spiral

[sirupate]

My (Spiral) quote from. Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxfords "The men had to pay for there own kukris,though the leather frogs were an ordanance supply." is tottaly accurate. the comment in quotes seemed relevant as that is part of thier history. I could have just as easily mentioned thier gallentry in ww2 or any other period.

The quote is accurate Jonathan, but not in the way it was linked to WW1; the original quote by you clearly associates that statement with WW1;

THE MYTH OF GURKHA RIFLEMAN CARRYING PRIVATE Spiral; 21st June 2010, 02:28 PM post 30 But just to add to Simons confusion. I always liked this bit published in 1952 in Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxfords Official history of the originaly Assam based 8th Gurkha Rifles. {I Think one battalion went to NWF about 1914 the other to France.} "The men had to pay for there own kukris,though the leather frogs were an ordanance supply."

This I believe was very misleading.

Spiral;Such as the Document you quote to Ochterlony HQ, which deals with the Nusseree & Sirmoor battalions, neither of whom where regarded as Assam based Regiments, That Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxfords documentation was about!

Absolutely correct Jonathan, however you failed to supply the fact that it only applied until 1881, and in 1880 they were not Gurkha at that point, they were mainly Sikh, Hindustani, Assamese etc, hardly Gurkha! so the quote has no meaning in the context to the argument about Gurkhas.
Indeed right before the contents section of the book, it tells you they were not considered Goorkha until 1886, by the titles of the regiments supplied, so why use a quote that had in effect no relevance to Gurkhas?
Also it was not until 1893 that the Bengal Army by standing order had to become class structured regiments.

Spiral; we then come to your latest misleading & false critiscim of myself. Originally Posted by sirupate Spiral 9th January 2012, 11:46 AM post 12 Generaly I ignore Simon Hengle of Tora Replica kukri supplies, as life is to short to waste on such things ,but a request for documentry evidence I do view as legitamate on this occasion. A legitamate request... quite a reliable source realy. The Official Regimental history of the 8th Gurkha Rifles. By Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxford. Published in 1952 , Hengle has then very carefully edited my full quote to make my statement appear missleading! As if I only Mentiond Huxford as the source not himself.

Jonathan this is my original quote, you used me as a secondary source only;

Spiral 'military' KUKRI for comment;
Spiral; 7th January 2012, 01:06 AM post 6
Despite Simons statement ,Some battalions still made or bought thier own kukri during ww2 due to supply difficulities during ww2 with the main pattern kukri.This is well documented.
Sirupate; 7th January 2012, 12:39 PM post 9
Proof of documentation please Jonathan. Spiral 9th January 2012, 11:46 AM post 12
Generaly I ignore Simon Hengle of Tora Replica kukri supplies, as life is to short to waste on such things ,but a request for documentry evidence I do view as legitamate on this occasion. A legitamate request... quite a reliable source realy. The Official Regimental history of the 8th Gurkha Rifles. By Leutenant-Colonel H.J. Huxford. Published in 1952 ,

This quote of yours is a complete misquote of Huxford;

Despite Simons statement ,Some battalions still made or bought thier own kukri during ww2 due to supply difficulities during ww2 with the main pattern kukri.This is well documented

Huxford actually says that the Regimental Centre took over production of kukri, not the battalion, nor did he say that the battalion purchase kukri, THE REGIMENTAL CENTRE AT QUETTA MANUFACTURED THEIR KUKRI!!

Spiral; I would like to state to all, My statements & quotes were fully correct & not misleading. This can all be veryfied on the original threads, if anyone moderators or forumites is bothered enough to.

The above quotations and corrections by me, clearly show that to be wholly incorrect Jonathan.

You also took no notice of this quote Jonathan, which would have applied to all units considered or with the title Goorkha/Gurkha from this point on;
GENERAL ORDERS BY THE HONOURABLE THE GOVERNOR IN COUNCIL Fort William, 2nd May 1823.
these corps (The Nasiri & Sirmoor) are clothed, armed, equipt and supplied with Ammunition at the expense of the State....etc.

Now I respectfully request that you answer why you used these;
1. quote from Huxford; "The men had to pay for there own kukris,though the leather frogs were an ordanance supply." in a quote about WW1, when it only applied to non Gurkha/Goorkha regiments pre 1881?

2. supposed and incorrect quote from Huxford; "Some battalions still made or bought thier own kukri during ww2 due to supply difficulities during ww2 with the main pattern kukri.This is well documented"

A straight forward reply would be much appreciated, cheers Simon