SPANISH MIQUELET GUN NEED HELP

Fernando K · 6th January 2012, 01:10 PM

Hola:

Ramiro Larrañaga, en "Sintesis Histórica de la Amería Vasca", en página 120/1:
BASCARAN, Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1795
BASCARAN, Manuel de. Maestro armero de Eibar, 1816/29. Junto a la marca particular también estampó la flor de lis y esa figura de cruz tan particular que también distinguía a otros armeros de la comarca así como el león rampante. Referencias: NEW STOCKEL (Instituto Suizo de Armas Antiguas)

Y en página 205 detalla otros:

Domingo de. Aparejero. Eibar y Placencia, 1750/62
Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker) Eibar. 1795
Francisco de Aparejero. Eibar. 1762
Manuel. Armero. Eibar. 186/29

Disiento con Fernando. El guardamonte parece ser original. Habría que contrastarlo con el resto de las fornituras.

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

Hi

Larrañaga Ramiro in "historical synthesis of the Basque Ameria" on page 120 / 1:
BASC, Ferdinand. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1795
BASC, Manuel de. Master gunsmith Eibar, 1816/29. Along with the particular brand also stamped the fleur de lis and a cross that figure so unique that also distinguished other dealers in the region and the lion rampant. References: NEW Stockel (Swiss Institute of Ancient Weapons)

And on page 205 lists others:

Sunday. Aparejero. Eibar and Placencia, 1750/62
Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker) Eibar. 1795
Aparejero Francisco. Eibar. 1762
Manuel. Armero. Eibar. 186/29

I disagree with Fernando. The trigger guard appears to be original. Should be contrasted with the rest of the trimmings.

Affectionately. Fernando K

fernando · 6th January 2012, 02:20 PM

Muy bien Fernando K,
Gracias por su correccion

I stand corrected

.

The thing is, i didn't find BASCARAN in Lavin's work, as first suggested:

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Los tres autores están citados por LAVIN, James, en su "A History of Spanish Firearms":
The three authors are cited by Lavin, James, in his "A History of Spanish Firearms"

As also lso in a website dedicated to Eibar gunsmiths i found three BASCARAN, all having been in action around 1880.
http://www.jmfirearmscollection.com/?MW=3&COD=1&P=E
I assume now that my research wasn't complete.
In this case Cerjak, you have an added value in your escopeta, with all parts being from the same period.

Cerjak · 6th January 2012, 06:03 PM

Thank you both, Fernando and Fernado K your answers are enlightening and appreciated
For the Trigger guard it seems to be the original one
I have a second one, bought from the same collection and I would like if possible have your expert opinion on it .
The stock is different ,on the barrel BVSTUINDI UBARA and lock GVU??S
Thank you again for your help and have a nice weekend.

CERJAK

Fernando K · 6th January 2012, 07:54 PM

Estimado Fernando:

Debo asumir que yo también cometí errores. Muchas gracias.

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

fernando · 7th January 2012, 01:42 PM

Hi Cerjak,
Il faut faire la difference

Fernando K is an expert and fernando (without K) is only a small curious collector

The Bustuindi with a rampart lion is Juan Esteban, an outstanding smith, mentioned as so by Jovellanos when he visited his home in 1791 (quote Lavin).
The other two marks (UBARRA? and GVU..S) are not listed in Lavin's book, neither within my reach.
Maybe Fernando K can trace them.

Cerjak · 7th January 2012, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi Cerjak,
Il faut faire la difference

Fernando K is an expert and fernando (without K) is only a small curious collector

The Bustuindi with a rampart lion is Juan Esteban, an outstanding smith, mentioned as so by Jovellanos when he visited his home in 1791 (quote Lavin).
The other two marks (UBARRA? and GVU..S) are not listed in Lavin's book, neither within my reach.
Maybe Fernando K can trace them.

Hi Fernendo,
Je vois que vous parlez le français..
I 'm wondering if those escopeta are hard to find in the collector market ,do you have any idea about their value ,I don't want to sell those guns but it is always good to know.
I'm sorry for my poor English but it is the best I can.

Cerjak

fernando · 8th January 2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi Fernendo,
Je vois que vous parlez le français..

Un petit peu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

...I 'm wondering if those escopeta are hard to find in the collector market ...

... Comme ci comme ça ... so so. You do find them, if you look for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

... do you have any idea about their value ,I don't want to sell those guns but it is always good to know...

Sorry, no price evaluations are allowed in this discussion forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

... I'm sorry for my poor English but it is the best I can.

Don't worry, is well good enough.

Fernando K · 9th January 2012, 01:22 PM

Hola
A pesar de las palabras de Fernando, no soy un experto. Solo soy un modesto coleccionista y un amante de la historia de las armas.
En cuanto a la marca, dice Y B A R R A. Respecto a la tercera marca, no la puedo descifrar.
Te sugiero dirigirte a Juan L. Calvó, que vive en España, y es autor de varios libros y artículos sobre el tema, y que tiene una página:

www.catalogaciondearmas.com

Desde Argentina, afectuosamente. Fernando

Hello
Despite the words of Fernando, I'm not an expert. I'm just a humble collector and a lover of the history of arms.
As for the brand, says Y B A R R A. Regarding the third mark, I can not decipher.
I suggest you go to John L. Calvo, who lives in Spain, and is the author of several books and articles on the subject, and has a page:

www.catalogaciondearmas.com

From Argentina, affectionately. Fernando K

6th January 2012, 06:03 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	thank you Thank you both, Fernando and Fernado K your answers are enlightening and appreciated For the Trigger guard it seems to be the original one I have a second one, bought from the same collection and I would like if possible have your expert opinion on it . The stock is different ,on the barrel BVSTUINDI UBARA and lock GVU??S Thank you again for your help and have a nice weekend. CERJAK Attached Images

6th January 2012, 01:10 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hola: Ramiro Larrañaga, en "Sintesis Histórica de la Amería Vasca", en página 120/1: BASCARAN, Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1795 BASCARAN, Manuel de. Maestro armero de Eibar, 1816/29. Junto a la marca particular también estampó la flor de lis y esa figura de cruz tan particular que también distinguía a otros armeros de la comarca así como el león rampante. Referencias: NEW STOCKEL (Instituto Suizo de Armas Antiguas) Y en página 205 detalla otros: Domingo de. Aparejero. Eibar y Placencia, 1750/62 Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker) Eibar. 1795 Francisco de Aparejero. Eibar. 1762 Manuel. Armero. Eibar. 186/29 Disiento con Fernando. El guardamonte parece ser original. Habría que contrastarlo con el resto de las fornituras. Afectuosamente. Fernando K Hi Larrañaga Ramiro in "historical synthesis of the Basque Ameria" on page 120 / 1: BASC, Ferdinand. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1795 BASC, Manuel de. Master gunsmith Eibar, 1816/29. Along with the particular brand also stamped the fleur de lis and a cross that figure so unique that also distinguished other dealers in the region and the lion rampant. References: NEW Stockel (Swiss Institute of Ancient Weapons) And on page 205 lists others: Sunday. Aparejero. Eibar and Placencia, 1750/62 Fernando de. Chispero (lockmaker) Eibar. 1795 Aparejero Francisco. Eibar. 1762 Manuel. Armero. Eibar. 186/29 I disagree with Fernando. The trigger guard appears to be original. Should be contrasted with the rest of the trimmings. Affectionately. Fernando K

6th January 2012, 07:54 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Estimado Fernando: Debo asumir que yo también cometí errores. Muchas gracias. Afectuosamente. Fernando K

7th January 2012, 01:42 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Cerjak, Il faut faire la difference Fernando K is an expert and fernando (without K) is only a small curious collector The Bustuindi with a rampart lion is Juan Esteban, an outstanding smith, mentioned as so by Jovellanos when he visited his home in 1791 (quote Lavin). The other two marks (UBARRA? and GVU..S) are not listed in Lavin's book, neither within my reach. Maybe Fernando K can trace them.

9th January 2012, 01:22 PM	#8
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hola A pesar de las palabras de Fernando, no soy un experto. Solo soy un modesto coleccionista y un amante de la historia de las armas. En cuanto a la marca, dice Y B A R R A. Respecto a la tercera marca, no la puedo descifrar. Te sugiero dirigirte a Juan L. Calvó, que vive en España, y es autor de varios libros y artículos sobre el tema, y que tiene una página: www.catalogaciondearmas.com Desde Argentina, afectuosamente. Fernando Hello Despite the words of Fernando, I'm not an expert. I'm just a humble collector and a lover of the history of arms. As for the brand, says Y B A R R A. Regarding the third mark, I can not decipher. I suggest you go to John L. Calvo, who lives in Spain, and is the author of several books and articles on the subject, and has a page: www.catalogaciondearmas.com From Argentina, affectionately. Fernando K