Another wilah for identification.

Jean · 4th January 2012, 08:41 AM

Hello Ben,
It would be useful also to add a detailed picture of the sorsoran on both sides and a top view of the ganja to see its profile.
Regards

Henk · 4th January 2012, 10:21 AM

You show us only the blades. Better show us also pictures of the dressed keris.

Harley · 4th January 2012, 11:19 AM

OK Jean, i shall make the pictures, i can understand that it's very difficult to judge from the bad pictures.

Henk, this one is the only one who's got a sheath, the other ones don't, and i shall place a picture of this sheath as well.

regards,
Ben

Harley · 4th January 2012, 11:43 AM

I hope that the pictures are good enough.

The strange thing with the sheath is that it's Djogya, but the pendok is in my opinion Solo.
The gandar is one piece with the warangka, but the bottom part of the gandar is to wide for a Djogya pendok.

regards,
Ben

Jean · 4th January 2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I hope that the pictures are good enough.

Ben

Hello Ben,
Thanks for the picture, no definite conclusion from my side but the shape of the greneng is odd, the ganja line does not match well with the blade (may be replaced later), the carving of the tikel alis does not look neat. A village blade IMO but I can be wrong, other opinions are welcome.
Regards

Harley · 4th January 2012, 07:55 PM

Hi Jean,

Thanks for your opinion, my knowledge is so little that i can't say anything about it.
I think that most of my keris are the simple(village work?), but i don't mind at all, if they are real ones, i am satisfied, I've read this a couple of times here, you get what you pay for.
But i hope there is someone who knows if this keris would be dressed in a Djoya or Solo dress.

regards,
Ben

Sajen · 4th January 2012, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Ben,
Thanks for the picture, no definite conclusion from my side but the shape of the greneng is odd, the ganja line does not match well with the blade (may be replaced later), the carving of the tikel alis does not look neat. A village blade IMO but I can be wrong, other opinions are welcome.
Regards

Have to agree with Jean!

David · 4th January 2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

A village blade IMO but I can be wrong, other opinions are welcome.

I dare say that the great (and i do mean GREAT

) majority of the blades we show here are village work. I doubt Harley had any greater expectation...

Harley · 4th January 2012, 08:48 PM

No doubt here David

, those blades are all simple, and even if i can't tell anything about pamor or dapur, but i can recognize the nice blades that i see in some of the old topic's, it's a hole different world.
I said it earlier, for me it is important to save some of the old but simple blades,
I think they deserve that.
But i am glad that Jean & Detlef gave there opinion, because i don't have a clue

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2012, 09:01 PM

Harley, it doesn't matter whether you dress it in Solo or Jogja scabbard and hilt.

The blades that are found in both types of dress can come from a wide variety of places, including Bali and Sulawesi.

Once a blade from whatever geographic location goes into dress from another location, it becomes that type of keris. This is the reason we tend to describe a complete keris by reference first to its dress, and then to its blade origin or tangguh.

Personally, I would not waste time in redressing this keris. The scabbard and hilt you have shown are more than adequate for this blade. As already advised, this is a keris of very ordinary quality, it lacks characteristics that allow it to be identified as from any specific area. Its just a keris, and can be dressed in almost any way that pleases you, however, the time spent in doing this would be purely for your own amusement.

Blades that come from anywhere in Jawa, and some places outside Jawa, can look very similar, unless they are old and good blades that follow a particular line of design , usually associated with a palace (kraton).

For ordinary, common or garden quality blades, many varying characteristics can be incorporated into the one blade, and quality of workmanship can vary from appalling to extremely high, however, since no established pattern or line of design is being followed, about all we can say is that one of these keris is from Jawa, and even then, that is not always so easy, nor so correct.

4th January 2012, 11:43 AM	#4
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	I hope that the pictures are good enough. The strange thing with the sheath is that it's Djogya, but the pendok is in my opinion Solo. The gandar is one piece with the warangka, but the bottom part of the gandar is to wide for a Djogya pendok. regards, Ben Attached Images

4th January 2012, 08:41 AM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Ben, It would be useful also to add a detailed picture of the sorsoran on both sides and a top view of the ganja to see its profile. Regards

4th January 2012, 10:21 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	You show us only the blades. Better show us also pictures of the dressed keris.

4th January 2012, 11:19 AM	#3
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	OK Jean, i shall make the pictures, i can understand that it's very difficult to judge from the bad pictures. Henk, this one is the only one who's got a sheath, the other ones don't, and i shall place a picture of this sheath as well. regards, Ben

4th January 2012, 07:55 PM	#6
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Hi Jean, Thanks for your opinion, my knowledge is so little that i can't say anything about it. I think that most of my keris are the simple(village work?), but i don't mind at all, if they are real ones, i am satisfied, I've read this a couple of times here, you get what you pay for. But i hope there is someone who knows if this keris would be dressed in a Djoya or Solo dress. regards, Ben

4th January 2012, 08:48 PM	#9
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	No doubt here David , those blades are all simple, and even if i can't tell anything about pamor or dapur, but i can recognize the nice blades that i see in some of the old topic's, it's a hole different world. I said it earlier, for me it is important to save some of the old but simple blades, I think they deserve that. But i am glad that Jean & Detlef gave there opinion, because i don't have a clue regards, Ben

4th January 2012, 09:01 PM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,039	Harley, it doesn't matter whether you dress it in Solo or Jogja scabbard and hilt. The blades that are found in both types of dress can come from a wide variety of places, including Bali and Sulawesi. Once a blade from whatever geographic location goes into dress from another location, it becomes that type of keris. This is the reason we tend to describe a complete keris by reference first to its dress, and then to its blade origin or tangguh. Personally, I would not waste time in redressing this keris. The scabbard and hilt you have shown are more than adequate for this blade. As already advised, this is a keris of very ordinary quality, it lacks characteristics that allow it to be identified as from any specific area. Its just a keris, and can be dressed in almost any way that pleases you, however, the time spent in doing this would be purely for your own amusement. Blades that come from anywhere in Jawa, and some places outside Jawa, can look very similar, unless they are old and good blades that follow a particular line of design , usually associated with a palace (kraton). For ordinary, common or garden quality blades, many varying characteristics can be incorporated into the one blade, and quality of workmanship can vary from appalling to extremely high, however, since no established pattern or line of design is being followed, about all we can say is that one of these keris is from Jawa, and even then, that is not always so easy, nor so correct.