Manuscript obout 15 century firearms

fernando · 30th December 2011, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... I must get re-adjusted to South German/Swiss dialect in the early 1400's, then I might be able to give you some clue. The main problem with all manuscripts is to get used to the individual writer's 'hand' ...

What a pity these manuscripts don't come with 'readable' legends ... definitely a tremendous added value

cannonmn · 31st December 2011, 01:26 AM

Maybe you missed it when Susi said the caption mentioned the turner was making torches. I assume those would be to illuminate when night work was required such as repairing battered walls, throwing up siege lines, etc. Wonder if those could also have been used as early portfires which provided the flame to ignite slowmatch or tinder for cannon and arquebus firing? Historians seem to be at somewhat of a loss for what means was used to keep live fires on the battlefield for that purpose.

Spiridonov · 31st December 2011, 07:56 AM

What is the cones on the box? Is it possible that this cones is charges or wooden wads?

Swordfish · 31st December 2011, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

What is the cones on the box? Is it possible that this cones is charges or wooden wads?

Surely interchangeable wooden charges for the torchs, filled with beeswax or tallow or other slow burning substance.

Susi

Matchlock · 31st December 2011, 03:52 PM

I think they are.

m

Spiridonov · 3rd January 2012, 08:45 PM

The most interesting images:
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/21v/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/35v/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/87r/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/89r/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...b/113v/x-large
Look at the last picture. There are something look like drill. Can somebody translate this? I would be great to translate all this titles

Matchlock · 3rd January 2012, 09:15 PM

Hi Alexander,

On the quick I cannot decipher everything but I hope Swordfish can help a lot!

1. Der kunst macht wol gewissen, ... läuft man (?) gefahr verdorben pulver mag schiessen.
Although you may be sure of your command of the art, the danger remains to fire foul powder.

2. Wie man blos machen soll, macht den dreier nicht wol?!

3. Die puchsen stain sint gut, der fy ...?
The stone balls are of good quality, ...?

4. Der p? ist nicht verloren, wo du vil ? sollst machen?

5. Die gesellen mit der puchsen pehent schiessen wellen.
The guys intend firing their guns properly.

Swordfish, are you there?

Best,
Michael

cannonmn · 3rd January 2012, 09:15 PM

First one: "Hans, haven't I told you a hundred times not to prime the hot cannon with a full flask of gunpowder!" (aber meine Deutsch is sehr schlecht)

cannonmn · 3rd January 2012, 09:36 PM

This one was translated by my Swiss e-penpal "Fidbald" who can actually read many of them:

"If you want to walk on water you have to wear shoes."

http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...33b/68v/medium

For quicker access to these, go to dropdown menu on top entitled "view" and select thumbnail or another of your choice, In the line of black rectangles, selecting smallest will cause much faster downloading.

Matchlock · 3rd January 2012, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannonmn

First one: "Hans, haven't I told you a hundred times not to prime the hot cannon with a full flask of gunpowder!" (aber meine Deutsch is sehr schlecht)

Sorry John,

I clearly beg to differ. It cleary reads kunst and verdobn pulver!

m

Matchlock · 3rd January 2012, 09:58 PM

[QUOTE=Spiridonov]The most interesting images:
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/21v/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/35v/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/87r/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/89r/x-large
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...b/113v/x-large

Here are the images.
m

Matchlock · 3rd January 2012, 10:05 PM

Alexander,

As you asked: this seems to be water-driven drill although the text does not actually seem to refer to it.

m

Spiridonov · 9th January 2012, 03:15 PM

It looks like tool for extracting bullet and wad... I don't think that it is a drill. Somebody can translate the title?

3rd January 2012, 09:58 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	[QUOTE=Spiridonov]The most interesting images: http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/21v/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/35v/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/87r/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/89r/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...b/113v/x-large Here are the images. m Attached Images

3rd January 2012, 10:05 PM	#12
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Alexander, As you asked: this seems to be water-driven drill although the text does not actually seem to refer to it. m Attached Images

31st December 2011, 01:26 AM	#2
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Maybe you missed it when Susi said the caption mentioned the turner was making torches. I assume those would be to illuminate when night work was required such as repairing battered walls, throwing up siege lines, etc. Wonder if those could also have been used as early portfires which provided the flame to ignite slowmatch or tinder for cannon and arquebus firing? Historians seem to be at somewhat of a loss for what means was used to keep live fires on the battlefield for that purpose.

31st December 2011, 07:56 AM	#3
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	What is the cones on the box? Is it possible that this cones is charges or wooden wads?

31st December 2011, 03:52 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I think they are. m

3rd January 2012, 08:45 PM	#6
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	The most interesting images: http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/21v/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/35v/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/87r/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...3b/89r/x-large http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...b/113v/x-large Look at the last picture. There are something look like drill. Can somebody translate this? I would be great to translate all this titles

3rd January 2012, 09:15 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, On the quick I cannot decipher everything but I hope Swordfish can help a lot! 1. Der kunst macht wol gewissen, ... läuft man (?) gefahr verdorben pulver mag schiessen. Although you may be sure of your command of the art, the danger remains to fire foul powder. 2. Wie man blos machen soll, macht den dreier nicht wol?! 3. Die puchsen stain sint gut, der fy ...? The stone balls are of good quality, ...? 4. Der p? ist nicht verloren, wo du vil ? sollst machen? 5. Die gesellen mit der puchsen pehent schiessen wellen. The guys intend firing their guns properly. Swordfish, are you there? Best, Michael

3rd January 2012, 09:36 PM	#9
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	This one was translated by my Swiss e-penpal "Fidbald" who can actually read many of them: "If you want to walk on water you have to wear shoes." http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/zbz...33b/68v/medium For quicker access to these, go to dropdown menu on top entitled "view" and select thumbnail or another of your choice, In the line of black rectangles, selecting smallest will cause much faster downloading.

9th January 2012, 03:15 PM	#13
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	It looks like tool for extracting bullet and wad... I don't think that it is a drill. Somebody can translate the title?