Need Help to Identify Pamor and Tangguh

Rick · 27th December 2011, 06:53 PM

You own this keris ?

David · 27th December 2011, 07:31 PM

That is a very interesting keris you have there. PLEASE do NOT weld the gonjo in place.

David · 27th December 2011, 07:35 PM

Just a few tips for good ID photos. Shoot directly above the blade so that the images do not distort the perspective. Shoot in well lit open shade without flash. Show a shot of the entire blade.
I am also interested to know if you actually own this blade. You say the you have "taken" it from Bali.

A. G. Maisey · 27th December 2011, 09:01 PM

There are a few methods for fixing the gonjo to the blade, and none involve brazing or welding. Do this and you will have ruined the blade.

The most frequently encountered method in Javanese, Balinese & Madura blades is to use a "key" in a keyway. This is very small pin that is driven into a tapered slot that has been cut in the hole in the gonjo that accepts the tang.

Another method is to fit the gonjo to the tang with a very neat press fit, and then using a punch and hammer, tighten that fit.

A popular method used on restored, altered, repaired and new blades since about 1960 -1970 is to use either super glue or two part epoxy resin, or plastic steel.

Looking at this blade, I believe that close inspection will reveal traces of super glue. Unless you want a time consuming job, re-fixing this gonjo with a one of the adhesives I have mentioned might be the best way to go.

As David has recommended, we need photos taken at 90 degrees to the blade in open shade and without a flash. One full length photo, and one close up of the bottom (widest ) third of the blade. Photos of the scabbard and hilt might also be of use.

ivoke · 27th December 2011, 10:23 PM

Nice hilt, coromandel?

David · 27th December 2011, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivoke

Nice hilt, coromandel?

From what i can see the hilt appears to be a fairly contemporary version of the gerantim style of hilt, similar in form to the brass one you recently posted on your 17 luk Bali/Lombok keris.
Who or what is "coromandel"?

27th December 2011, 06:53 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	You own this keris ?

27th December 2011, 07:31 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	That is a very interesting keris you have there. PLEASE do NOT weld the gonjo in place.

27th December 2011, 07:35 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	Just a few tips for good ID photos. Shoot directly above the blade so that the images do not distort the perspective. Shoot in well lit open shade without flash. Show a shot of the entire blade. I am also interested to know if you actually own this blade. You say the you have "taken" it from Bali.

27th December 2011, 09:01 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	There are a few methods for fixing the gonjo to the blade, and none involve brazing or welding. Do this and you will have ruined the blade. The most frequently encountered method in Javanese, Balinese & Madura blades is to use a "key" in a keyway. This is very small pin that is driven into a tapered slot that has been cut in the hole in the gonjo that accepts the tang. Another method is to fit the gonjo to the tang with a very neat press fit, and then using a punch and hammer, tighten that fit. A popular method used on restored, altered, repaired and new blades since about 1960 -1970 is to use either super glue or two part epoxy resin, or plastic steel. Looking at this blade, I believe that close inspection will reveal traces of super glue. Unless you want a time consuming job, re-fixing this gonjo with a one of the adhesives I have mentioned might be the best way to go. As David has recommended, we need photos taken at 90 degrees to the blade in open shade and without a flash. One full length photo, and one close up of the bottom (widest ) third of the blade. Photos of the scabbard and hilt might also be of use.

27th December 2011, 10:23 PM	#5
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	Nice hilt, coromandel?