Buckler Shields.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

Sabah el-Heir Ibrahim
John Clements is the founder & head of ARMA, and one of today's leading (though controversial) historians of western martial arts & weapons. I met him in a seminar a few years ago and like his approach most of the time. One of his best known experiences was to refute the common belief that a sword must be razor sharp (2 vids): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR9k23U-P10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=fFQ4aanmupU

Here is a nice sword & buckler demonstration video - note: these are reconstructed techniques. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNF1bKo0v9k

Salaams Broadaxe ... Sorry I missed that ... excellent info Shukran ... and greetings for the season and Happy New Year all !! I really like the mediaeval drawings and If I was in London I would join the Buckler Fighting Club for sure... Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi...

[broadaxe]

I believe similar techniques of fighting with buckler also existed in the Muslim world, well into the modern age, but quickly faded away. Last family of fight masters was in Lebanon up to the 1970's to my best knowledge, and the art called saif oo terse.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

I believe similar techniques of fighting with buckler also existed in the Muslim world, well into the modern age, but quickly faded away. Last family of fight masters was in Lebanon up to the 1970's to my best knowledge, and the art called saif oo terse.

Salaams Broadaxe ~ Interesting terminology for the Lebanese fight masters. Its essentially the same wording in Oman(including neighboring states like the UAE) where today the form is passed down through the Funoon which is an enacted music, poetry and dance pageant that goes back to the mid 8th Century. In the dance form there is included a number of sword performances including Terrs and Saif; firstly as a parade of swords or procession and secondly a mimic fighting contest between 2 swordsmen using the long flexible Omani Saif and the Buckler shield ..the Terrs. In this way the Funoon records and passes on the traditional fighting technique since it is performed throughout each year at festivals and Eid celebrations as well as in front of dignatories , National Day celebrations and weddings... so it gets a very regular airing. I imagine that since this form reached as far as the Mediteranean (Lebanon) that the likely link is there for its transmission into Europe via the Crusader movement etc.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Gavin Nugent]

I am curious to know if the EU countries at any time had an Equivalent to the Madu?

Gav

[broadaxe]

The dance is a known way of preserving the old martial arts, alas it mostly lost the martial intent. http://www.shweir.com/saif_oo_terse.htm

The Druze people also perform a sword dance with long sabers but no buckler. To my best knowledge one of the last muslim (non-arab) people who carry on hard core traditional martial arts is the Adiga (Circassian/Cherkess).

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

The dance is a known way of preserving the old martial arts, alas it mostly lost the martial intent. http://www.shweir.com/saif_oo_terse.htm

The Druze people also perform a sword dance with long sabers but no buckler. To my best knowledge one of the last muslim (non-arab) people who carry on hard core traditional martial arts is the Adiga (Circassian/Cherkess).

Salaams Broadaxe ~ May I quote from your web based reference please.http://www.shweir.com/saif_oo_terse.htm I would like to take small excerpts from that and record into my post on the Ethnographic forum. I have a fairly light weighted idea that transition of the form may have originated in Oman since it has been here since the mid 8th Century.

I see a situation where it may have been picked up and adopted by European Crusader troops including the Georgians and transferred to Europe. It was interesting to see that weaponry of this nature also goes back to the 8th C in Lebanon.

It forms an extremely interesting interlude within the framework I am proposing on Omani "Sayf wa Terrs" ... Shukran.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[broadaxe]

Masa ei-Heir Ibrahim, that web site is not mine by any means, I just posted the link.
BTW it is very intersting to know about Omani martial arts.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by freebooter

I am curious to know if the EU countries at any time had an Equivalent to the Madu?

Gav

Salaams Gav ~ I had to look that up ..
Madu
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia;

A madu (maru, singuata) is an Indian parrying and thrusting weapon. It consists of a pair of antelope horns fastened behind a small plate consisting of stretched leather, iron, or steel with the tips of the horns pointing in opposite directions. The tips of the horns were often sheathed in steel, and the small plate served to protect the hand and wrist. It was usually wielded in the left hand, with a spear, dagger, or sword held in the right. It was favored by the Bhils, Hindu religious beggars, and by swordsmen as a weapon with both defensive and offensive potential.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.