Philippine Dagger?

Robert · 10th August 2005, 02:42 AM

Ian,
I knew I could count on you. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Being relatively new here I had no idea this kind of dagger had been dicussed before. Thank you again.

Robert

Ian · 10th August 2005, 05:30 AM

Pleased to be able to help a little, Robert.

Robert · 2nd February 2008, 12:15 AM

This is another post that I thought I'd bring back up to see if there are any more thoughts as to this daggers country of origin. The brass fittings have a very well done lead solder seem. I think it is very possibly Philippine because of this and the style of the carving but would like to know what the experts think. Here are a few new pictures that will hopefully help in it's identification. There is some engraving on the ferrel behind the guard that can be seen in some of the pictures. Too bad that there was no sheath with this when I found it. I have one that fits it very well but did not show it as it could be very misleading when trying to identify the daggers country of origin.

Robert

Battara · 2nd February 2008, 08:23 PM

I'm more in the Mexico camp. As Ian says it could be PI, but the style of carving and the quillons point more 19th century Mexico to me.

Robert · 3rd February 2008, 10:17 PM

Hi Jose,
Thank you for your opinion on this dagger. So 19th century Mexico seems to be the consensus on this piece. One more question if you don't mind. What is it about the quillons that makes them look more from Mexico, the overall shape or the length? I'm still learning and need all the help I can get.

Thank you again for your help.

Robert

Battara · 4th February 2008, 10:33 PM

Nothing is 100% for sure.

That being said, I have found PI northern daggers to be not flat and widely oval like this one but more stylized and if flat, flat toward the vertical vs the horizontal (like this one).

2nd February 2008, 12:15 AM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	This is another post that I thought I'd bring back up to see if there are any more thoughts as to this daggers country of origin. The brass fittings have a very well done lead solder seem. I think it is very possibly Philippine because of this and the style of the carving but would like to know what the experts think. Here are a few new pictures that will hopefully help in it's identification. There is some engraving on the ferrel behind the guard that can be seen in some of the pictures. Too bad that there was no sheath with this when I found it. I have one that fits it very well but did not show it as it could be very misleading when trying to identify the daggers country of origin. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 2nd February 2008 at 03:16 PM.

10th August 2005, 02:42 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Ian, I knew I could count on you. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Being relatively new here I had no idea this kind of dagger had been dicussed before. Thank you again. Robert

10th August 2005, 05:30 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,362	Pleased to be able to help a little, Robert.

2nd February 2008, 08:23 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I'm more in the Mexico camp. As Ian says it could be PI, but the style of carving and the quillons point more 19th century Mexico to me.

3rd February 2008, 10:17 PM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hi Jose, Thank you for your opinion on this dagger. So 19th century Mexico seems to be the consensus on this piece. One more question if you don't mind. What is it about the quillons that makes them look more from Mexico, the overall shape or the length? I'm still learning and need all the help I can get. Thank you again for your help. Robert

4th February 2008, 10:33 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Nothing is 100% for sure. That being said, I have found PI northern daggers to be not flat and widely oval like this one but more stylized and if flat, flat toward the vertical vs the horizontal (like this one).